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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #100 on: April 17, 2018, 09:44:16 PM »
And the end of day 2
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« Reply #101 on: April 17, 2018, 09:53:21 PM »
so why does your fan look like its missing 2 blades?
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« Reply #102 on: April 17, 2018, 10:35:28 PM »
Am I still fired?

I love my dmax but man, the simplicity of a 12v
Kids today don't know how easy they have it. When I was young, I had to walk 9 feet through shag carpet to change the TV channel.

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« Reply #103 on: April 17, 2018, 11:03:00 PM »

I love my dmax but man, the simplicity of a 12v

He has one of those too. Covered in dust in about the same build/repair state.

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« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2018, 11:35:22 PM »
Ken, you finally got promoted and took my spot on the condition that you keep your mouth shut and now look what you have gone and done.....
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #105 on: April 18, 2018, 08:41:33 AM »
so why does your fan look like its missing 2 blades?
Is this the Sergeant trying to aggravate the Chief?

You forget, in all that spook psyops training, I was schooled in anti-NCO techniques...I'm on to ya!

Not going for it Natter...




Edit: Just went back through the pics,

Darned if the Sergeant isn't right, the fan does look like it is missing a couple blades

It isn't of course, just an optical conclusion!

But I may want to remove a couple blades to reduce the truck's weight to compensate for the upcoming 18K winch!

Should about balance out.

You see its physics

Spinnin things operate under new and exciting rules! One sez:
The mass multiplies when weight times the axial beverence quotation is applied

Like in helichoppers.

Law sez: Things that get to spinnin' get real heavy real fast. Then need to be, cause it seems that this spindly lookin' stick of aluminum, when applied to a pine tree will grenade the pine tree, and get you standin' at attention for about thirty minutes in front of your commander's desk

So ya, that fan can easily outweigh an eighteen K winch!

A little Aerodynamics lesson right there...
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #106 on: April 18, 2018, 08:43:24 AM »
Am I still fired?

I love my dmax but man, the simplicity of a 12v
I forgot about you being fired

Tell ya what

We'll move ya from being fired to being monitored.

Say Bobby, Nate, and Tate...You three monitor this mischief maker. Keep him in line or you three know what's next for you!
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #107 on: April 18, 2018, 10:01:19 AM »
so why does your fan look like its missing 2 blades?
Is this the Sergeant trying to aggravate the Chief?

You forget, in all that spook psyops training, I was schooled in anti-NCO techniques...I'm on to ya!

Not going for it Natter...




Edit: Just went back through the pics,

Darned if the Sergeant isn't right, the fan does look like it is missing a couple blades

It isn't of course, just an optical conclusion!

But I may want to remove a couple blades to reduce the truck's weight to compensate for the upcoming 18K winch!

Should about balance out.

You see its physics

Spinnin things operate under new and exciting rules! One sez:
The mass multiplies when weight times the axial beverence quotation is applied

Like in helichoppers.

Law sez: Things that get to spinnin' get real heavy real fast. Then need to be, cause it seems that this spindly lookin' stick of aluminum, when applied to a pine tree will grenade the pine tree, and get you standin' at attention for about thirty minutes in front of your commander's desk

So ya, that fan can easily outweigh an eighteen K winch!

A little Aerodynamics lesson right there...

Your warrant mids tricks are only effective on young weak minded NCO's and airmen....... :cool:

I will accept that answer and hopefully we will see a new fan installed..... :grin:





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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #108 on: April 18, 2018, 10:11:04 AM »
In some cases the blades on fans like this are not equally spaced.  Doing this can help reduce the noise that a fan blade will make.  The unequal spacing can disrupt the air movement and breaks up the frequency of the fan blade without having a large reduction in the volume of air being moved.

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« Reply #109 on: April 18, 2018, 11:30:04 AM »
In some cases the blades on fans like this are not equally spaced.  Doing this can help reduce the noise that a fan blade will make.  The unequal spacing can disrupt the air movement and breaks up the frequency of the fan blade without having a large reduction in the volume of air being moved.

And finally facts surrounding the "missing blades". Don must have opted for the Dyson version with the "non-buffeting" fan.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #110 on: April 18, 2018, 11:45:01 AM »
In some cases the blades on fans like this are not equally spaced.  Doing this can help reduce the noise that a fan blade will make.  The unequal spacing can disrupt the air movement and breaks up the frequency of the fan blade without having a large reduction in the volume of air being moved.

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..but more importantly, it allows a mechanic a place to put his arms along with tools.
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« Reply #111 on: April 18, 2018, 12:27:22 PM »
In some cases the blades on fans like this are not equally spaced.  Doing this can help reduce the noise that a fan blade will make.  The unequal spacing can disrupt the air movement and breaks up the frequency of the fan blade without having a large reduction in the volume of air being moved.

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..but more importantly, it allows a mechanic a place to put his arms along with tools.

I call BS, no engineer ever thought about the guy fixing his design down the road. Most likely because mechanical engineers in their own mind design things that are fail proof. Granted they never met Don.......
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« Reply #112 on: April 18, 2018, 02:30:26 PM »
In some cases the blades on fans like this are not equally spaced.  Doing this can help reduce the noise that a fan blade will make.  The unequal spacing can disrupt the air movement and breaks up the frequency of the fan blade without having a large reduction in the volume of air being moved.

 :likebutton:

..but more importantly, it allows a mechanic a place to put his arms along with tools.

I call BS, no engineer ever thought about the guy fixing his design down the road. Most likely because mechanical engineers in their own mind design things that are fail proof. Granted they never met Don.......

This I agree with. Look at the Dmax, nothing is designed to be worked on, nothing unless you pull the cab!
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« Reply #113 on: April 18, 2018, 02:38:38 PM »
I didn't say they did it intentionally !!
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« Reply #114 on: April 18, 2018, 02:41:28 PM »
Say Bobby, Nate, and Tate...You three monitor this mischief maker. Keep him in line or you three know what's next for you!

You want me to monitor someone? Just because I haven't DOT'd in awhile doesn't mean I've forgotten how. Carefully laid plans and all.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #115 on: April 18, 2018, 11:08:29 PM »
OK, fan blades are OK

And

This was not a good day

I thought this might just be a three day project, but now, I'm afraid to say it is going to be awhile

I'll explain why in a bit

But first let me say. There is a reason people charge $5,000 to install one of these CP3s in an LML. It is like the US Infantry fighting in hedgerow country following D-Day. You only make small advances. And every so-called next step requires two-three other actions to complets. Most every bolt is covered over by a bracket, or is out of sight, or just about impossible to even reach. You will be doing quite a bit of blind wrenching. I can't even imagine how much time I will spend reassembling this thing. I put another 8 hours in on it today, I'd say I have 22 hours in it so far and it's not all the way disassembled yet!

Last night it leaked another mess, so I started the morning with cleaning up
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« Reply #116 on: April 18, 2018, 11:09:14 PM »
The good news was that the brown truck showed up with most of my parts and needed tools
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« Reply #117 on: April 18, 2018, 11:10:43 PM »
Including new thermostats, a new idler, and tensioner, and a water pump
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« Reply #118 on: April 18, 2018, 11:13:01 PM »
So first up I needed to remove the turbo drain pipe

and this is how this project will go

First to gain access you need to remove the drivers up pipe.

TO get to the bolts at the manifold, you first need to move the big wiring harness
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« Reply #119 on: April 18, 2018, 11:14:39 PM »
Then you need to gather the various wiring harnesses and zip tie them out of the way just to be able to get the tiniest of space to work in that cobweb mess in there
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« Reply #120 on: April 18, 2018, 11:21:59 PM »
But then you will need to pull the transmission dip stick because the pipe is blocked by it. The bolt that secures it is completely out of sight. You can only feel it through the wheel well way up on top of the bell housing.

And that's when my day turned south.

The three bolts holding the up-pipe to the manifold are sitting right behind the fuel supply and return lines. Those are wrapped in heat wrap and rigid stainless steel. Two of the three bolts cannot be seen and are loosened by sense of touch only. Taking the inside, invisible bolt, it snapped off in the exhaust manifold.

That is a killer. Now the manifold has to come off to evaluate the extent of damage. Remember these exhaust bolts are a hardened stainless.Drilling it to use an easy out may be impossible, or machine shop only. Very likely I will need to just purchase another left manifold and wait the week for it to get here.
I'll look more into that later, as this easily has become a two week project and very, very hard and painful

I'd well consider if I needed a CP3 pump if I were you. If I knew I was facing this, it is doubtful I would have started such a project.

But after the bolt snapped off, I did manage to get the up pipe off
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« Reply #121 on: April 18, 2018, 11:23:22 PM »
That allowed me to gain access to the turbo drain pipe and rather easily remove those two 13mm nuts, and pull the turbo
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« Reply #122 on: April 18, 2018, 11:25:06 PM »
That thing is very heavy. I'd make every bit of fifty pounds!

Next I pulled the water neck. That's where both T-stats reside
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« Reply #123 on: April 18, 2018, 11:26:56 PM »
Chief,

Cobwebs are what Square D has..... CMAX is just having a bad hair day.

I can say this because my DD had cobwebs in it when we went to drive it yesterday!!!
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« Reply #124 on: April 18, 2018, 11:28:00 PM »
Then I went after fuel lines. If you go the way I went, having a lift pump, then all the added lines to/from the factory filter and even the filter and mount all get pulled off for good.
Here is where you will find a host of bolts which are covered by another line, or a bracket, or a sensor or something. Instead of using a ratchet, you will be using a dumb old wrench doing a flat at a time. And time that does eat up!
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« Reply #125 on: April 18, 2018, 11:28:30 PM »
Don, once you get that manifold off let?s talk before you spend money on another. Usually several different ways to get a bolt out without a machine shop. Also stainless can be drilled FYI, it needs to be drilled slow with lubricant & take your time. A carbide drill bit is even better if you have a way to center drill the bolt slightly first & have a way to hold the piece being drilled. Carbide bits will not take side loading and they will snap easily.
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« Reply #126 on: April 18, 2018, 11:30:29 PM »
This is the CP4 fuel supply lines. The CP3 uses just one line. You wouldn't believe all that it takes to get that thing out.
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« Reply #127 on: April 18, 2018, 11:33:17 PM »
Don, once you get that manifold off let?s talk before you spend money on another. Usually several different ways to get a bolt out without a machine shop. Also stainless can be drilled FYI, it needs to be drilled slow with lubricant & take your time. A carbide drill bit is even better if you have a way to center drill the bolt slightly first & have a way to hold the piece being drilled. Carbide bits will not take side loading and they will snap easily.
But, except for the Triumph, I no longer have a ride. I'll evaluate it when I pull it. But options are limited right now
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« Reply #128 on: April 18, 2018, 11:35:34 PM »
Then I placed this cool little plug into the dosing valve sensor.
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« Reply #129 on: April 18, 2018, 11:37:46 PM »
Then I pulled the dosing valve assembly. This gets discarded along with a bunch of other unneeded stuff.

And this thing had bolts just like stated before. It took probably 45 minutes just to clear stuff to pull two bolts to get that off!
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« Reply #130 on: April 18, 2018, 11:39:13 PM »
Next up the factory filter assembly was pulled. It will not be reused.
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« Reply #131 on: April 18, 2018, 11:42:44 PM »
Then the fuel lines to/from the factory filter get removed. Think is they have brackets everywhere and some of those bolts are beneath other lines or covered by something. At this point it was starting to seem ridiculous how things are arranged on this motor. It is just not easy at all, anywhere to work on.

Along with that the balance line gets pulled
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« Reply #132 on: April 18, 2018, 11:43:36 PM »
And here it is. It will get reused
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« Reply #133 on: April 18, 2018, 11:44:12 PM »
When you're done, I'll ship mine out. Sounds like you would be super amped to do it again.
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« Reply #134 on: April 18, 2018, 11:44:49 PM »
Next, I just pulled every line, hose, clamp and everything else I could to get some space freed up
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« Reply #135 on: April 18, 2018, 11:46:43 PM »
Next I pulled the stock turbo oil supply line. This arrangement will no longer be used.
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« Reply #136 on: April 18, 2018, 11:48:01 PM »
Next I had to pull this shield just to get to the fuel lines, which had one bolt which was buried and nearly impossible to get to
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« Reply #137 on: April 18, 2018, 11:49:15 PM »
The first pic is of stuff that will get discarded, the second of stuff getting reinstalled someday
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« Reply #138 on: April 18, 2018, 11:51:42 PM »
After taking all that crap off, I still can't freely lift the fuel lines, although both get modified. I finally managed to just unbolt the front half of the fat supply line. All the stuff removed is trash and will all be replaced by a short section of hose and a short steel line
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« Reply #139 on: April 18, 2018, 11:53:31 PM »
And just look at the list as it grows:

Most of those steps will have to be reversed and that does not include the fact that I am not done with the teardown, not having even started the water pump change out
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« Reply #140 on: April 18, 2018, 11:55:00 PM »
And here's my flywheel lockout tool and socket and breaker bar for the balancer removal
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« Reply #141 on: April 18, 2018, 11:55:12 PM »
Don, once you get that manifold off let?s talk before you spend money on another. Usually several different ways to get a bolt out without a machine shop. Also stainless can be drilled FYI, it needs to be drilled slow with lubricant & take your time. A carbide drill bit is even better if you have a way to center drill the bolt slightly first & have a way to hold the piece being drilled. Carbide bits will not take side loading and they will snap easily.
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« Reply #142 on: April 18, 2018, 11:58:22 PM »
Now I see why they just pull the cab off.

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« Reply #143 on: April 19, 2018, 12:29:47 AM »
Yeah I?ll just go ahead and sell my truck before I dump another $5k into it. 


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« Reply #144 on: April 19, 2018, 06:44:01 AM »
Lest I get fired....again.  I think I?ll refrain from a repeat comment made earlier.


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« Reply #145 on: April 19, 2018, 07:23:15 AM »
Feel for you Don - hate being in the middle of something saying to myself, HOW could I have been so dumb to think that this was a good idea?  Prayers sent your way!
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« Reply #146 on: April 19, 2018, 08:49:07 AM »
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« Reply #147 on: April 19, 2018, 09:16:56 AM »
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« Reply #148 on: April 19, 2018, 09:47:43 AM »
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« Reply #149 on: April 19, 2018, 09:56:51 AM »
You know it?s just a shame to see the weakness peering thru. I mean sure Bobby slacks a lot now on his DOTing duties but when he does drop in he hits em hard and fast. Very respectable!!
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