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Thinking of buying a XJ
« on: July 04, 2018, 09:57:59 PM »
So the oldest Pre-Ranger is coming up on driving age

He will be needing something to drive

I have always just loved those simple Jeep XJ's with their simple squared off muscular and all business fenders and rooflines.

Leaning on the strength of the 4.0 inline 6, these things last a goodly long time

So around here they run from a low of $1,500 for a rough one up to $8995 for a beauty not far from here.

The median seems to fall between $4K and $5K

And here's the thing. I actually want one for myself as well!

THought I'd do a father son build thing, adding to each as we go.

These things OK to modify lightly and motor along with?

One thing that scares me is the front and rear diffs. They seem pretty small and I would see the things wearing 32" or 33" rubber soon after purchase. Can those diffs stand up to that?

What else can anyone tell me about what to look for in these cool old boxes?
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2018, 10:41:01 PM »
Limit to 32? rubber & 2-3? of lift with aftermarket fender flares. Anymore and you have to strengthen up everything, front frame rails & steering along with SYE. Baylee?s had sye and 6? of lift so we had to really strengthen up front unibody rails & run a real cross over steering. Imo it?s not worth it and with fenders and 2-3 inches of lift you can run 32?s same as she has currently.

So the other thing you will probably have to address is electronic gremlins. We?re chasing speedo & odometer issues with Baylee?s XJ

Motor & trans will still be running as rest of xj fails and falls apart.
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2018, 11:11:43 PM »
I think those ford f-150?s run pretty good and I know a guy selling a white one here soon


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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2018, 11:48:13 PM »
I agree with Dave, a white F150

I?m not sure which one out of the millions for sale but definitely an f150  :popcorn:
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2018, 09:39:46 AM »
Shame on you two!
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2018, 10:20:06 AM »
Shame on you two!

No, shame on you. You started this & Dave has F150 on the brain now. So much so I think he?s secretly a Ford fan, potentially has a love affair with them. You know like Ken & H..... :popcorn:
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2018, 10:50:56 AM »
Nothing wrong with an XJ. You appear to have some mechanical/welding abilities ( :grin:) and I'd assume the kid can turn a wrench as well so any problems that pop up could be addressed pretty quick. What I'd do assuming I was getting another XJ (which I want to do...)
 
1. weld some reinforcement plates along the unibody

2. liberally spray wd40 and/or breakfree on pretty much every nut/bolt within eye sight., let it sit for a bit then do it again.

3. Rip the carpeting out and check the floor pans for holes or weld in new floor pans.

4. Prepare to replace the plugs/wires, actual oil change and maybe other fluid swap.
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2018, 10:57:54 AM »
You will want to avoid the dana 35 diff. most will be 8.25 Chrysler anyhow, but the easy tell is the rolled lip on the outer edge of the diff cover. d35 runs flat to the edge. A lot of the 4.0L XJ's have leaky coolant reservoirs, and some have been known to sell them for cheap because they think the head gasket is blown while in reality the res just blows steam and slow leaks when they come up to temp. simple fix and a good deal to be had if you can find them.
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2018, 11:07:53 AM »
My concept of the operation:

Buy two

Keep Pre-ranger's a 4.0

Do a 6.0L LS swap into mine and jazz it a bit

Save all the 4.0 parts from mine for the kiddo's.

Maybe even just swap out the entire drivetrain...I have a HPD60 front with 4.56's laying around and Duane has a nice GM take out 14 bolt with like 100 miles on it...

Turns out I also have a SAS kit for a HD Chevy which would yield up the lower part of the front suspension pdq, then just weld on spring buckets and keep the top end XJ

Turns out I even have a new crossover steering setup for the D60...

Guess I have a lot of parts laying around

So what brought me to this

And I'm still thinking about it is:

1. Pre-Ranger needs transportation

2. I would like to have a spare vehicle that is easy to drive, doesn't require tugs and a mooring horn to park.

I started looking at the new Tacoma's, TRD off road. THey have a lot to offer, and longevity for like the rest of my life, so maybe... But they are like $35K and by the time I added bumpers, lift, wheels tires/winch and some other I am another 15K into it...$50K

I buy an XJ and just build it the way I want it, into a very civilized nice but not rad driver and I am in it for half the price...And I like old better than the new jet gas tank lookin stuff.
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2018, 11:09:12 AM »
Nothing wrong with an XJ. You appear to have some mechanical/welding abilities ( :grin:) and I'd assume the kid can turn a wrench as well so any problems that pop up could be addressed pretty quick. What I'd do assuming I was getting another XJ (which I want to do...)
 
1. weld some reinforcement plates along the unibody

2. liberally spray wd40 and/or breakfree on pretty much every nut/bolt within eye sight., let it sit for a bit then do it again.

3. Rip the carpeting out and check the floor pans for holes or weld in new floor pans.

4. Prepare to replace the plugs/wires, actual oil change and maybe other fluid swap.


Bobby is correct, check frame rails on outside front end. Near track bar and steering box for cracks. We looked at 30 xj?s or so b4 we purchased Baylee?s. I?m not against buying one with a cracked frame either, easy fix with weld on pre cut steel overlays.
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2018, 11:09:44 AM »
Shame on you two!

No, shame on you. You started this & Dave has F150 on the brain now. So much so I think he?s secretly a Ford fan, potentially has a love affair with them. You know like Ken & H..... :popcorn:
You startin' this again with a Dave? Lost of Daves on this site, and like the F-150,s both everywhere and likely stick together

But you like to scrap, so, as you wish...

Just quit crappin' up my thread! ;-)
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2018, 11:12:04 AM »
Nothing wrong with an XJ. You appear to have some mechanical/welding abilities ( :grin:) and I'd assume the kid can turn a wrench as well so any problems that pop up could be addressed pretty quick. What I'd do assuming I was getting another XJ (which I want to do...)
 
1. weld some reinforcement plates along the unibody

2. liberally spray wd40 and/or breakfree on pretty much every nut/bolt within eye sight., let it sit for a bit then do it again.

3. Rip the carpeting out and check the floor pans for holes or weld in new floor pans.

4. Prepare to replace the plugs/wires, actual oil change and maybe other fluid swap.


Bobby is correct, check frame rails on outside front end. Near track bar and steering box for cracks. We looked at 30 xj?s or so b4 we purchased Baylee?s. I?m not against buying one with a cracked frame either, easy fix with weld on pre cut steel overlays.
OK, good advice

This is the stuff I'm lookin for!

Question: If staying with like a 265/70 or a 285-70 tire size, will the stock diffs live if just used to drive and things like driving along moderate trails (Like on my farm?)
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2018, 11:13:55 AM »
Kind of what I am thinking of if going with stock axles and not the full on HPD60 and LS motor thing

Even with the bigger axles, I like this stance height. This or maybe 1" higher with sway bars and GOOD shockage
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2018, 11:56:55 AM »
Nothing wrong with an XJ. You appear to have some mechanical/welding abilities ( :grin:) and I'd assume the kid can turn a wrench as well so any problems that pop up could be addressed pretty quick. What I'd do assuming I was getting another XJ (which I want to do...)
 
1. weld some reinforcement plates along the unibody

2. liberally spray wd40 and/or breakfree on pretty much every nut/bolt within eye sight., let it sit for a bit then do it again.

3. Rip the carpeting out and check the floor pans for holes or weld in new floor pans.

4. Prepare to replace the plugs/wires, actual oil change and maybe other fluid swap.


Bobby is correct, check frame rails on outside front end. Near track bar and steering box for cracks. We looked at 30 xj?s or so b4 we purchased Baylee?s. I?m not against buying one with a cracked frame either, easy fix with weld on pre cut steel overlays.
OK, good advice

This is the stuff I'm lookin for!

Question: If staying with like a 265/70 or a 285-70 tire size, will the stock diffs live if just used to drive and things like driving along moderate trails (Like on my farm?)

These grocery getters are beasts in stock form with good tires.....
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2018, 11:57:35 AM »
Kind of what I am thinking of if going with stock axles and not the full on HPD60 and LS motor thing

Even with the bigger axles, I like this stance height. This or maybe 1" higher with sway bars and GOOD shockage

That?s probably a 6? lift....
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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2018, 12:00:58 PM »
you don't need a lot of lift to get decent rubber underneath. custom fenders for the win
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2018, 12:52:06 PM »
Kind of what I am thinking of if going with stock axles and not the full on HPD60 and LS motor thing

Even with the bigger axles, I like this stance height. This or maybe 1" higher with sway bars and GOOD shockage

That?s probably a 6? lift....
It says it has a 3.5" Rubicon express lift
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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2018, 12:52:57 PM »
you don't need a lot of lift to get decent rubber underneath. custom fenders for the win
But, Tatter, will the diffs stay all in one big piece or become finer, smaller pieces?
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2018, 02:36:16 PM »
Um I have had my feelings hurt, I do not like it being suggested that I have a love crush on ford trucks.  Please refrain from using such words in written or Verbal communication


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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2018, 02:56:47 PM »
Um I have had my feelings hurt, I do not like it being suggested that I have a love crush on ford trucks.  Please refrain from using such words in written or Verbal communication


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Your obsession with fords on my threads got you into this mess..... :beercheers:
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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2018, 03:07:03 PM »
Um I have had my feelings hurt, I do not like it being suggested that I have a love crush on ford trucks.  Please refrain from using such words in written or Verbal communication


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Your obsession with fords on my threads got you into this mess..... :beercheers:

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2018, 07:07:52 PM »
Oh buddy do I have a few more


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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2018, 07:34:43 PM »
Oh buddy do I have a few more


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Just proving what I said, secretly you have a fetish for fords..... triple F  :popcorn:
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2018, 09:49:55 PM »
I think you might be right,


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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2018, 09:52:52 PM »
this about as honest as I can get


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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2018, 09:57:51 PM »
Red first, brand second or so some would say.

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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2018, 10:15:34 AM »
you don't need a lot of lift to get decent rubber underneath. custom fenders for the win
But, Tatter, will the diffs stay all in one big piece or become finer, smaller pieces?

Keep it simple, 33" rubber, limited slip diffs or selectable lockers instead of automatic, lock down the suspension so you don't get axle wrap and tell the pre-ranger to keep his foot off the skinny pedal when the tires come off the ground. get a 99 or older to keep the high pinion front, and the 8.25 will handle it just fine.
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2018, 10:36:30 AM »
Don, you know those inline 4.)'s can be built with wicked HP......
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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2018, 02:27:56 PM »
Why do you gotta poke the bear Shawn?
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2018, 02:50:46 PM »
Why do you gotta poke the bear Shawn?

The result is inevitable despite my comments, you realize he doesn?t listen to any of us......
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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2018, 07:32:22 PM »
Truth^^^
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« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2018, 10:15:40 PM »
Don, you know those inline 4.)'s can be built with wicked HP......
I'm listening...

Like the sound of a cammed LS motor

But also thought of turbo'in up the little 4.0 as well...

Talk to me goose!
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« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2018, 10:16:32 PM »
This site is full of skeptics!

I'll show ya...
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« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2018, 11:09:09 PM »
Had another thought. I drove Baylee?s xj last night, went to put some fuel in it for her. For the record 6 foot 3 Shawn hit his head getting in it. You might wanna check that out before buying one for yourself.
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2018, 11:44:43 AM »
Had another thought. I drove Baylee?s xj last night, went to put some fuel in it for her. For the record 6 foot 3 Shawn hit his head getting in it. You might wanna check that out before buying one for yourself.
I remember them as being a bit cramped for we big guys
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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2018, 12:13:00 PM »
Had another thought. I drove Baylee?s xj last night, went to put some fuel in it for her. For the record 6 foot 3 Shawn hit his head getting in it. You might wanna check that out before buying one for yourself.
I remember them as being a bit cramped for we big guys

It's great for Baylee who is 5'4" and her knucklehead BF who is 6 foot 3 and I am told hits his head too which I am fine with currently. I did see a mod where you can cut the seat frame / slider and lower the seat several inches. If I had to daily drive one this would be the first mod.....
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« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2018, 04:34:27 PM »
Don, you should be fine. Most people tend to duck when entering a vehicle. ;)

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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2018, 04:43:11 PM »
Don, you should be fine. Most people tend to duck when entering a vehicle. ;)

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You sayin' Shawn isn't smart enough to duck?
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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2018, 05:19:45 PM »
Don, you should be fine. Most people tend to duck when entering a vehicle. ;)

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Listen, it?s awkward best I can tell you. On a lifted xj you?re trying to toss your leg / butt up & duck as you move sideways. I realize you?re probably pretty agile dealing with all of H?s stumbling but I?m trying to look out for ol Don here.....
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« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2018, 07:45:14 PM »
Don, you should be fine. Most people tend to duck when entering a vehicle. ;)

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Listen, it?s awkward best I can tell you. On a lifted xj you?re trying to toss your leg / butt up & duck as you move sideways. I realize you?re probably pretty agile dealing with all of H?s stumbling but I?m trying to look out for ol Don here.....
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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2018, 10:31:22 AM »
So, I continue to look

Vehicles I am investigating at the moment:

2000, 38,000 miles stock $7995

1998 194,000 Engine rebuilt into a 4.6 stroker, lifted, wheels tires, F/R smittybuilt bumpers, winch CB radio, exhaust, nice, $5,900

2000 104,000 3.5" lift, bilsteins, wheels/tires, F bumper, borla exhaust, roof rack, very nice, $8,800

2000 140,000 stock, nice, $4,990

1999, 98,000 stock, ziebart rust treatment since new, local $2,900

I am still looking at a purchase of two jeeps. One for me, one for one of the pre-rangers...To be a father/son build project thing and family off roading adventure thing.
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« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2018, 11:35:26 AM »
Without looking at them thoroughly, I?d buy the last one. It would go for $5k or higher out here btw
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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2018, 11:51:47 AM »
Without looking at them thoroughly, I?d buy the last one. It would go for $5k or higher out here btw
Roger that
However
Another one just popped up. Really nice and 104K miles. Already lifted tires wheels bumper, rack and well, well maintained, but spendy...
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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2018, 12:02:57 PM »
So the latter one has a chrysler 8.25 rear axle and a Dana 35 front

Good...bad??
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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2018, 12:57:35 PM »
So the latter one has a chrysler 8.25 rear axle and a Dana 35 front

Good...bad??

Good, believe that front is RR too...
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« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2018, 05:57:39 PM »
So the latter one has a chrysler 8.25 rear axle and a Dana 35 front

Good...bad??

Good, believe that front is RR too...
Great news!

So this XJ I am looking at presently has 31 10.50 tires and on a 3.5" lift looks great. I'm thinking I'd stay around a 31" or possibly a 32" tire if I went to a 4.5" lift instead which I more perfer

If I had to do it myself, I'd do a long arm suspension on a 4"-5" lift and keep that look/ride height

Is that tire size good for those tiny diffs?
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« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2018, 07:15:59 PM »
I?m sure Tate will chime in but 32 or less and I think you?re golden. I?m sure he?ll comment on automatic lockers etc though.
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« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2018, 07:34:41 PM »
I?m sure Tate will chime in but 32 or less and I think you?re golden. I?m sure he?ll comment on automatic lockers etc though.
Chimein' in is welcomed!

ok, here is the current candidate:

1998, 104K pretty good shape, good parts
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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2018, 07:49:22 PM »
Which is more desirable in these automatic transmission or manual?


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Re: Thinking of buying a XJ
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2018, 07:50:31 PM »
Which is more desirable in these automatic transmission or manual?


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Dunno, Dave

But for my likes, I'm going for an automatic
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