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« on: September 28, 2018, 08:21:14 PM »
Ok, time to start a shop build thread. We are buying (under contract at moment) an L-shaped storage condo. It measures 1125 sq ft, has a service entry door and two overhead garage doors. One is 10 x 14 and the other is 12 x14. 16 foot ceilings, electric thermostat controlled heater & 125 amp panel. Should be able to start building a mezzanine in it next week. After some thinking it will be a wooden structure with solid second story floor. Here she is & I will get better pics of the rest of facility later. Facility is gated & has biometric entry, fully video secured & a club house for the old guys to BS & drink coffee. Members have restroom and shower facility on site. It has an HOA, is taxed as commercial (single downside imo) & most guys tack on a rider policy to home insurance to cover assets. Building insurance is covered via Hoa fees.





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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2018, 08:24:04 PM »
I'm diggin' this
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2018, 09:53:45 PM »
That should make a nice shop, it?s starting off clean, that?s a start.


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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2018, 10:23:40 PM »
That should make a nice shop, it?s starting off clean, that?s a start.


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Yeah it?s clean now, he had several other units with the floors epoxied. It was a $5k option and well no sense paying $5k to have me end up ruining it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2018, 01:36:46 AM »
2 questions... forgive my ignorance...so you would actually own it, so you could do whatever you want, within hoa guidelines?
..and, how close is the bathroom?(sounds important)


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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2018, 07:53:07 AM »
2 questions... forgive my ignorance...so you would actually own it, so you could do whatever you want, within how guidelines?
..and, how close is the bathroom?(sounds important)

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We own it, they have been increasing around 7% per year the last four years or so at least. I spoke with this guy for the last two years ( still have emails ). So basically we own it just like a condo house. I can do whatever inside the building, for the record no Mary Jane business allowed though.

Thee are 6 units or so between me and clubhouse ( facilities) so 400-500 foot maybe?
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2018, 04:04:42 PM »
Do you have basic drinking water at your location? Or is that club house also?

What other shops or storage units being used for near by?  Like minded folks as yourself?


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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2018, 04:21:01 PM »
Do you have basic drinking water at your location? Or is that club house also?

What other shops or storage units being used for near by?  Like minded folks as yourself?


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Basic drinking water is in clubhouse. Along with kitchenette & lounge etc.

The locals, from the few I have met they are definitely like minded. A few small businesses work out of them. A few hot rod guys build toys there. One guy is a military vehicle guy and he has a full kitchen he wheels out at 4th of July and everyone has a get together. They cook hot dogs & burgers then watch fireworks over the dirt track that is directly south of this place. I heard there is a group of old guys who get together and eat breakfast at some hole in the wall cafe. For some this is a place to retreat to from HH6.....
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2018, 04:25:33 PM »
Worth noting there are around 5 of these types of places within 15 mins of our new house 1 is within a mile actually but I didn?t care for the guy running it. They did have restrooms in each unit though & were a bit higher per sq ft then what I?m paying. The place I?m at runs from $130 a sq & up depending on new or used units & size etc. My unit was used & is a second phase build newer ones have some slight differences. This was started in 08 and is on its fourth & last phase coming up.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2018, 05:20:45 PM »
Worth noting there are around 5 of these types of places within 15 mins of our new house 1 is within a mile actually but I didn?t care for the guy running it. They did have restrooms in each unit though & were a bit higher per sq ft then what I?m paying. The place I?m at runs from $130 a sq & up depending on new or used units & size etc. My unit was used & is a second phase build newer ones have some slight differences. This was started in 08 and is on its fourth & last phase coming up.
So odly enough. I have had a long time thought of building a similar style place.  A getaway type place.  Two level MaNsion for those guys.   Lowest level garage shop open styling. I was thinking like a cross but with more sides.    Upper level sort of cigar shop style and bbq joint.  Open kitchen bar but no staff.  Provide your own service. 


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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2018, 10:36:52 PM »
I calculated the material for the 16 foot X 14 foot mezzanine I will be building in a week or two. Will send short list out for quote Monday.

6pcs 4x6x16 foot Douglas fir posts will notch for laminated beams
17pcs 2 1/2 x 9 1/2 I Joists x 16 foot laid on 12 inch centers
2 pcs 10 or 12 inch laminated beam x 16 foot
9 pcs 23/32 nd 4 x 8 sheets plywood (flooring)
3 pcs 2 x 12 x 16 foot (stairs)
3 pcs 2 x 10 x 16 foot (treads)

Yes, little overkill but will not be going anywhere....
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2018, 10:44:07 PM »
Sounds about like the size loft I am doing, I had planned in tying off of two walls and two post oof the other side to the floor, metal posts to floor.  All other material is same.  Interested in your cost vs mine.  Do you by chance have wheelwright lumber in your area.  It may be just a local shop


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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2018, 11:06:12 PM »
What?s with all the wood in a metal fabshop?  What happened to using steel?


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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2018, 11:12:46 PM »
What?s with all the wood in a metal fan shop?  What happened to using steel?


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Time frame, I can have the loft built and in place by myself in 2 solid days. Steel, well that process is 4 x as long not including getting it powdered. In addition I think the wood structure will hold heat better in the winter (underneath it) as I plan to have my mill, lathes, drill press and saw under it and tarp the front so I don?t have to heat whole shop all the time. The second down side to this space is no gas line run into it. Had they done that I could run a a radiant tube heater very efficiently.

I did consider steel posts and two I beams then I joists. After considering it I really do not see any benefit.
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2018, 11:14:10 PM »
Sounds about like the size loft I am doing, I had planned in tying off of two walls and two post oof the other side to the floor, metal posts to floor.  All other material is same.  Interested in your cost vs mine.  Do you by chance have wheelwright lumber in your area.  It may be just a local shop


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We do not, I have no issue taking a picture of the quotes and texting it to you though.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2018, 11:53:15 PM »
I haven?t ordered my material yet but I would be happy to get a starting quote to go off, momma isn?t gonna like the additional cost upfront but will like the storage area that is all hers when it?s done.  Mine is looking like 15x12


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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2018, 12:05:17 AM »
I haven?t ordered my material yet but I would be happy to get a starting quote to go off, momma isn?t gonna like the additional cost upfront but will like the storage area that is all hers when it?s done.  Mine is looking like 15x12


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Copy, I?m gunna build it to be able to park an Abrahams tank on it....
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2018, 09:15:26 AM »
Shawn I?d advise to go with the 11-1/2 I joists. The 9-1/2s I used weren?t as solid as I?d liked over the same span even though I got the 230 series with wider thicker flanges. True mine are on 16 center but still flex without a ton of weight on them


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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2018, 09:26:37 AM »
Charles how far did you span them?
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2018, 09:52:57 AM »
16 ft 16oc


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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2018, 10:19:39 AM »
Copy, 11.5 s then

I?ll still hold the 12 inch centers and should be good
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2018, 12:43:15 PM »
Yeah that was one of my biggest disappointments. I used span tables and engineering notes and it was still too spongy


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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2018, 07:02:42 PM »
Not bad mind you but just not rock solid.   Within L/360 but I wanted it stiffer


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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2018, 08:03:33 PM »
I plan on having some weight up there, overkill isn?t a bad idea. I appreciate the feedback, Dave & Ken that doesn?t include you.....
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2018, 11:54:06 PM »
Uh, ok.

..never built a loft anyway. But I will point out your screw-ups, even if there isn't any. :)
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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2018, 12:12:11 AM »
Uh, ok.

..never built a loft anyway. But I will point out your screw-ups, even if there isn't any. :)

Didn?t realize you were watching this thread, if I had I would have made a reference to H.

You know something along the lines of Tex & I are designing this loft to be strong enough to even hold H. That way you could have something of reference you?re familiar with you know, so as to make sure this thread has a feeling of all inclusiveness for you.
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2018, 04:10:04 PM »
Acquired access to the new shop Friday. Wife moved a bunch of her house junk into it Sat. Nothing like moving stuff three times....

So at 11 am the local lumber yard dropped this off from a roll back bed truck.



A little sorting and we had our components for the mezzanine. 



I had two hours, so I cut posts down to 8? & started notching them to accept the engineered beam that will be cradled into the posts.



I had two cut and had to head home to meet window cleaners...... :rolleyes:
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2018, 06:16:37 PM »
& the doper window crew never showed....

So I went back and finished notching these.

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2018, 11:37:47 PM »
Looks good.  Did some of that today.
I walked some beams and cut some rough saw lumber 8x8 with our chainsaw.   Than put them under this beam I was standing on


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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2018, 07:33:36 PM »
So yesterday was about three hours worth of work, maybe....

Today I was able to squeeze in around five hours. I started the day trimming the engineered beams to 16? then braced them to a single post and stood them up.



Then stood another post up and bolted them together, square, brace and repeat other side of the bay.






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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2018, 07:36:24 PM »
From there it was trimming the i joists to width of bay which was 14?



And at days end today roughly eight hours into the build.

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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2018, 08:56:35 PM »
You would benefit greatly from leaving enough room in the ends of the floor joists to put up what we call rim board.  1 1/2 wafer board that you toenail to the top plate ( your beam) and shoot into the top and bottom of your floor joists.  Keeps that floor from rocking and rolling.   
You could also substitute this with cutting blocks out of your scrap joist cut offs to go in between the joists on each end. 

What is the plan for anchoring to the concrete?


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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2018, 09:30:30 PM »
Copy on stiffening it up, still have to square things up down below as well.

I haven?t officially closed on the property, think I?m doing that the 24th. I told owner I wouldn?t drill the floor until I owned it. But I?ll make angle iron floor mounts.
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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2018, 10:29:11 PM »
I have two more posts to install as well (middle of each beam)
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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2018, 06:23:50 PM »
Was able to squeeze in 4 hours roughly today. Started by installing those two middle posts and per the plan (which Dave beat me to the punch on as he described in his last post) went about bracing the i joists with drops from them. I was able to get about half on each side from drops. Then started sheeting the deck with liquid nail and screws. I?m using all timber locks or screws on this build.



Here is where I left it this afternoon.
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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2018, 06:28:02 PM »
In the morning I?m going to return a junk 2x12 they sent me as it?s split down the middle and won?t make for a very good stair stringer. Will pick up remaining cross bracing material and some 2x8 to frame in the upper portion of the stairs.
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2018, 06:23:19 AM »
Man I like that table saw stand. I need to look into that as I have the same saw


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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2018, 07:33:37 AM »
Man I like that table saw stand. I need to look into that as I have the same saw


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That saw came together like that, maybe it?s just a leg kit & wheels? It folds up and rolls around on two wheels.
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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2018, 09:43:06 AM »
Man I like that table saw stand. I need to look into that as I have the same saw


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That saw came together like that, maybe it?s just a leg kit & wheels? It folds up and rolls around on two wheels.
I have that on mine too
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« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2018, 11:26:20 AM »
Thanks Nate. Found it on Amazon Prime


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« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2018, 06:45:40 PM »
So I?m going over my 2 day estimate a little. Have roughly 20 hours in this project now and that includes swapping out a junk 2x12x16 they sent me and buying some 4x posts and more timber lock lags.

Today was time to square and stiffen up things a little. So I started by cutting 45 degree braces from the 4x4 posts.







And this is where I left off today, 3/4 of decking has been laid and I ran out of timber locks so I bought more on the way home. Finish attaching 4x braces tomorrow and frame the stairs.


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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2018, 09:26:36 PM »
Nice clean work there Shawn!
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2018, 06:35:36 AM »
If it?s still a little wobbly for your tastes, you might consider a full x brace from floor to top between each post using 2x4 or even 1/4 cable and turnbuckles

Of course the front you?d have to leave open with just the corner braces


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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2018, 08:17:09 AM »
Front to back it?s already very solid & im missing a few braces yet. Side to side it sways a bit yet but I have 4 more braces to install & then the 4 posts and stairs. I am closing on the 24th so after that then I?ll bolt it down and think it will be good honestly. Some of the sway I?m getting is more of a wobble as until this is complete and weighted down it can slide on the Crete a bit. I can actually push it and move it by myself if I care to at the moment.
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2018, 10:42:36 AM »
That last sentence sounds pretty useful, as in:
#1-changing light bulbs
#2- better built than those Walmart fold up shades (Will it fit in the Jeep?)
#3-add chain=mobile gantry
#4-add ramps and cut floor out=mobile lube "pit"
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#5- mobile speach platform, for when Shawn runs for Gov'ner
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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2018, 11:05:34 AM »
That last sentence sounds pretty useful, as in:
#1-changing light bulbs
#2- better built than those Walmart fold up shades (Will it fit in the Jeep?)
#3-add chain=mobile gantry
#4-add ramps and cut floor out=mobile lube "pit"
...and last
#5- mobile speach platform, for when Shawn runs for Gov'ner
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2018, 10:03:09 PM »
Started this morning adding some more bracing. I had to leave for several hours mid day but was able to get a good chunk of stairs complete. The extra bracing really stiffened this structure up. I don?t think I?ll have any issues once I get this finished.



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« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2018, 08:50:02 AM »
I like it

Unlike many of my builds

It looks to be square!
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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2018, 04:54:42 PM »
Yep, looking good but I agree with the bracing. Even a small cable "X" along the sides will do so much and you know you are going to load it up!

So when is the web site going to be up? Looking for a few things for the SAS as I finish the sub.
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