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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #800 on: March 12, 2019, 09:50:09 PM »
And hung the new cooler to see how things are going to fit together

I will not have the fittings until tomorrow so I couldn't figure out how to run the lines just yet, but that's coming right up
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #801 on: March 12, 2019, 09:50:50 PM »
I had some more junk awaiting the scrap pile
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #802 on: March 12, 2019, 09:53:13 PM »
It was getting a bit late to pull the transfer case. I had to run over to HF to pick up another long reach jack to hold the trans up without a cross member or transfer case, and basically just ran out of time.

But I cleared the extra seat off the floor, reinstalling it to complete the passenger seating setup. This is what I am going to go with on the voyage
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #803 on: March 13, 2019, 04:08:11 AM »
Progress, what about the tranny cooler?

Have you thought about using motorcycle jacks? They go higher than many jacks and the flat surface keeps things steady.

Oh, what do you use for your leather? Using the cleaner/protector is not doing it for me. Cleans fine, just doesn't seem to protect as it should.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #804 on: March 13, 2019, 09:30:26 AM »
Progress, what about the tranny cooler?

Have you thought about using motorcycle jacks? They go higher than many jacks and the flat surface keeps things steady.

Oh, what do you use for your leather? Using the cleaner/protector is not doing it for me. Cleans fine, just doesn't seem to protect as it should.
Yea, on the leather
I think for this type of vehicle, leather is not the go to material at all. It will feel fine, but won't stand up to the dirt. Sitting around on rocks and the ground, then sliding (sanding) into the seat...ya..No-Go!

So, in Phase two, which I may get into after the trip, I was planning to pull the whole interior and dynamat the floors/walls/roof and redye (Actually paint) the seats a rich darker brown. I am going to play with the interior colors to change it to something like you see in the upscale Chevies and other top end truck interiors. Maybe even have new leather covers...

But for now, I am thinking something very Carhartt looking and made of canvas would be the ticket. Thinking back on the years spent in mil vehicles. all of those seats were canvas. Regular Army aircraft had a nylon like material seat covering, and our Special Ops birds had sheepskin seats. Not seat covers, it WAS the covering.

So having a lot of time in all of those seats, I have to say the dirt-poor, dumb as a country rock canvas stood up best to everything short of IED's. So, I normally lather a good oil based leather preservative, then slap a seat cover on top.

The Smittybilt ballistic nylon seat covers in the Duramax truck are working like gangbusters, but they won't stay put. the LBFC (Large butt friction coefficient) motors them all over the grid, and the straps require frequent tightenin'

So, in summary, I'm still lookin'
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #805 on: March 13, 2019, 09:55:03 AM »
You might be able to only pull the trans mount out, unbolt the lowest nut on the transfer case, then lay a 2x4 in the cross member to rest the transmission on while you pull the case. That should allow it to drop low enough to get to the top nuts.
Just did an 07 the other day so it's still fresh in the noggin. (1/2 ton tho)
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #806 on: March 13, 2019, 11:04:33 AM »
You might be able to only pull the trans mount out, unbolt the lowest nut on the transfer case, then lay a 2x4 in the cross member to rest the transmission on while you pull the case. That should allow it to drop low enough to get to the top nuts.
Just did an 07 the other day so it's still fresh in the noggin. (1/2 ton tho)
Trans mount is out already

But in this 2500 Suburban, there is a permanent crossmember just below the transfer case tail housing.
So to remove it I will need to:
1. Jack up and support the transmission
2. remove the bolts securing it to the transmission
3. Slide it aft, then somehow wiggle it forward through the opening I am still afforded
4. Get that sucker outta there!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #807 on: March 13, 2019, 11:07:20 AM »
I’ve never had a seat cover that would stay where I put them. Coworker of mine has a set of neoprene covers in his Jeep and and says they stay better than most and are holding up well.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #808 on: March 13, 2019, 12:26:55 PM »
I’ve never had a seat cover that would stay where I put them. Coworker of mine has a set of neoprene covers in his Jeep and and says they stay better than most and are holding up well.


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I have neoprene covers in jk and they stay put, smittybilt brand I believe....
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #809 on: March 13, 2019, 12:51:03 PM »
I use the material that comes with the seat. When it wears out or gets stained to the point it really looks bad I will replace them. I hate fighting with seat covers trying to keep them in place. Why cover something up so they will look nice for the next owner. Use what you bought or replace them, not just add something over the top of what you have and fight with it all the time.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #810 on: March 13, 2019, 05:43:16 PM »
Bob, wife’s 4Runner & my trucks etc I don’t use seat covers. However, jeeps, early broncos and truck too old to have a working ac unit get covers. They get dirty, you pull them and wash them then reinstall. More about being able to clean the interior on vehicles that need it.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #811 on: March 13, 2019, 06:14:09 PM »
I agree with what you are saying Shawn. I was just saying if Don is fixing the Burb up for long term use, I think recovering the seats or using what is there would work better than a seat cover that moves around all the time.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #812 on: March 13, 2019, 06:24:11 PM »
I agree with what you are saying Shawn. I was just saying if Don is fixing the Burb up for long term use, I think recovering the seats or using what is there would work better than a seat cover that moves around all the time.

I understand, think he was planning to darken up the interior. Probably a good idea that stain they use on mulch can ruin a light colored interior and well we know about Don and mulch beds.... :popcorn:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #813 on: March 13, 2019, 09:20:01 PM »
Don't start on the mulch beds!

This one is only getting a Dura-grip and not a full locker. I don't believe duragrips are rated safe for operation in mulch...

So, got the trans oil cooler finished up and ready to throw the front end stuff back on.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #814 on: March 13, 2019, 09:21:17 PM »
And I decided to leave the lines in their approximateish stock position
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #815 on: March 13, 2019, 09:22:58 PM »
Then I creatively hooked up two -8 sized lines in big ole stress free loops.

I have actually seen this done in aircraft to remove any tension in the line when it was near a vibration prone area, so I knew it was OK to do.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #816 on: March 13, 2019, 09:24:35 PM »
Then made some tabs with thick aluminum strapping and also made use of the RNT (Riv-Nut Technology)
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #817 on: March 13, 2019, 09:26:23 PM »
And clamped the lines securely to various spots with aircraft padded clamps, #10 screws anchored into rivnuts.

All in all I'm happy with this installation
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #818 on: March 13, 2019, 09:27:26 PM »
Then the factory splash shield was reattached
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #819 on: March 13, 2019, 09:29:09 PM »
I added 6 quarts of trans fluid to start with. I guess I'll let it settle, then try and figure out how much oil it needs to get it closer
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #820 on: March 13, 2019, 09:30:20 PM »
Here's that inflatable pre-Ranger sleepin' pad that now graces the back end
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #821 on: March 13, 2019, 09:31:04 PM »
Has the air valve deal. Just loosen it and the mat self inflates
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #822 on: March 13, 2019, 09:32:24 PM »
And as you can see, he fits just fine in there.

He had to pull his 1911 out of the holster to get comfortable!!!!

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #823 on: March 13, 2019, 10:16:58 PM »
Chief, info on the mat? I need a double like that!!!

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« Reply #824 on: March 13, 2019, 11:00:09 PM »
Lookin good there Chief. Where is do you source the padded clamps and other odds and ends like that?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #825 on: March 13, 2019, 11:13:02 PM »
Did don just add Ovaries to the front of his rig? Sure looks like ovaries to me. Anyone else?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #826 on: March 14, 2019, 12:57:08 AM »
Did don just add Ovaries to the front of his rig? Sure looks like ovaries to me. Anyone else?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #827 on: March 14, 2019, 03:30:50 AM »
Carhartt seat covers=the bestest
... very happy with mine.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #828 on: March 14, 2019, 06:18:33 AM »



Just a little less length is all


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #829 on: March 14, 2019, 08:32:42 AM »
Hmmm, go figure  :facepalm:

Some people see the strangest things... :huh:

Well, noteworthy is that a "Dave" created that mental construct  :sad:  :knucklehead:  :evil:

Just sayin... :wink:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #830 on: March 14, 2019, 08:35:20 AM »
So, setting aside the anatomy lesson

The cooler...

Someone out there has used this one and has an idea if it will be sufficient.

Is there?

Cause when I button the grill up, dat's it for that side show.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #831 on: March 14, 2019, 08:49:06 AM »
Hmmm, go figure  :facepalm:

Some people see the strangest things... :huh:

Well, noteworthy is that a "Dave" created that mental construct  :sad:  :knucklehead:  :evil:

Just sayin... :wink:

Ouch Dave!!!  :tongue:


Well, he does have a fondness for the softer feminine colors I hear....
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #832 on: March 14, 2019, 09:43:41 AM »
So, setting aside the anatomy lesson

The cooler...

Someone out there has used this one and has an idea if it will be sufficient.

Is there?

Cause when I button the grill up, dat's it for that side show.

I ain’t a hydrologist but seeing how GM equipped it with one that was a third the size, I’d think it’ll work great. It has more fluid flowing through it and more space to be cooled. So, my non educated brain thinks it’ll work well.  Now let’s have someone smarter than I chime in.... and hopefully confirm my theory.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #833 on: March 14, 2019, 09:55:17 AM »
So, setting aside the anatomy lesson

The cooler...

Someone out there has used this one and has an idea if it will be sufficient.

Is there?

Cause when I button the grill up, dat's it for that side show.

I generally tell folks to pull the grille for bumper installation.  Makes access to the hardware easy.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #834 on: March 14, 2019, 10:17:11 AM »
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2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #835 on: March 14, 2019, 11:21:24 AM »
I’d like to take back anything I might have said about how having a trailer makes it harder to go off road.




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« Reply #836 on: March 14, 2019, 11:29:44 AM »
Well that’ll test your tie downs!


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« Reply #837 on: March 14, 2019, 12:13:57 PM »
Why would you need a quad if that is normal driving?
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« Reply #838 on: March 14, 2019, 12:33:12 PM »
I’d like to take back anything I might have said about how having a trailer makes it harder to go off road.




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Looks like something an Aussie would do (And think it's pretty routine!)
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« Reply #839 on: March 14, 2019, 05:31:19 PM »
Yeah, and you notice they come up with all these devices to get you out of those scenarios.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #840 on: March 14, 2019, 07:52:31 PM »
So after some wrenchin' I was able to get the transfer out and on the garage floor
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« Reply #841 on: March 14, 2019, 07:54:20 PM »
It took a lot of scrubbing with the purple degreaser then time with a pressure washer to finally get down to the magnesium and stains. No removing them!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #842 on: March 14, 2019, 07:56:41 PM »
So the actual teardown is easy and straight forward. The snap rings presented the only challenge

A rubber plug covers the snap ring, and then there are two speed sensors on the output shaft. Odd, but the MA vid only showed one, but my NP246 definitely had two
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #843 on: March 14, 2019, 07:58:35 PM »
Top half of the case off, and back to scrubbing!. Afterward I cleaned both case halves and most of the interior with spray brake cleaner. It did a good job, and the factory gasket material wiped right off
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #844 on: March 14, 2019, 08:00:12 PM »
With the removal of the top snap ring the bearing, reluctor ring, and pump can be pulled off
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #845 on: March 14, 2019, 08:01:31 PM »
There was no damage what so ever in my case. Looks as though the pump behaved itself...Or maybe the truck was never placed in 4WD...?

The line like marks are casting scale, not scratches or goorves...
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« Reply #846 on: March 14, 2019, 08:02:59 PM »
So the actual teardown is easy and straight forward. The snap rings presented the only challenge

A rubber plug covers the snap ring, and then there are two speed sensors on the output shaft. Odd, but the MA vid only showed one, but my NP246 definitely had two

Anyone ever tell you , that you could be a hand model??......no...thought not..

It probably has 2 sensors becaus they knew it was going to a pilot. One for airspeed and one for ground speed.....


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #847 on: March 14, 2019, 08:03:10 PM »
Cleaned that half up as best as i could, then treated it to a coat of the KBS epoxy paint.
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« Reply #848 on: March 14, 2019, 08:03:51 PM »
^^^^ That paint looks like that when it is wet, but cures to look much smoother and more uniform
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #849 on: March 14, 2019, 08:06:16 PM »
Hmmm, an aviation approved transfer case, a first!

SO here's the stock pump, and the same one modified with the Merchant no-gall replacement cover.
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