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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #250 on: January 29, 2020, 12:07:12 PM »
Snapped a pic of it yesterday...Its still alive
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« Reply #251 on: January 29, 2020, 02:25:44 PM »
What happened to them stickers you were gung-ho about?


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #252 on: January 29, 2020, 06:22:26 PM »
Are those 35s?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #253 on: January 29, 2020, 07:39:13 PM »
don, can you get a 3 dimension measurement of the fuel tank in the burb? i think the inside width is the 3+3 frame is right around 28”. plus with a large single piece drive shaft (4” or so..?) that puts me at a max workable width of <12”. not sure i’ll be able to find one that narrow.. but i’m going to shop around and see what i come up with hah

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« Reply #254 on: January 29, 2020, 09:47:47 PM »
What happened to them stickers you were gung-ho about?


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Got em in and they were buggered up. Like stuck to the tape, worthless!
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« Reply #255 on: January 29, 2020, 09:48:19 PM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #256 on: January 29, 2020, 09:49:34 PM »
don, can you get a 3 dimension measurement of the fuel tank in the burb? i think the inside width is the 3+3 frame is right around 28”. plus with a large single piece drive shaft (4” or so..?) that puts me at a max workable width of <12”. not sure i’ll be able to find one that narrow.. but i’m going to shop around and see what i come up with hah
You want me to measure the size of the rear fuel tank in my 2002 2500 Burb?
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« Reply #257 on: January 30, 2020, 07:33:09 AM »
yessir. if at all possible.

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #258 on: February 12, 2020, 09:58:32 AM »
OK, first, apologies for not getting the measurements, I forgot to do it...But I have excuses...and, yes, none of them matter...and I am a bad man...;-)

So the Supercharger was shipped this past Monday. Should arrive in a couple days. Nick reports he has most of the stuff for the conversion sitting on shelves.

To review the Burb will be upgraded with:

R&D LSA Supercharger System with ZL1 lid - Cathedral adapters - 12 ps
NGK BR7EF Plugs
Racetronix DIYDPK-SUV Kit (Fuel pumps)
Upgraded fuel lines DSX Flex Fuel Kit
Deatschwerks 17U-26-0095-8 - 95 Lb/Hr Injector
GM 3 Bar MAP Sensor
Intake Tube Components and Powder Coat
Supercharger cam
90mm throttle body
Custom speed density tune (Lose the MAF!)
Chassis dynamometer tune
Big smiley face behind the steering wheel

Now all this will bring me to the last thing I may need to change up
The truck's 4.88 gears are too tall with the 35" tires
So I may be thinking about a gear change to 4.56 or a swap to 37" tires or both...dunno yet

Target time to do the supercharger install is next week
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #259 on: February 12, 2020, 11:00:36 AM »
I sure like the 4.56 with 35s, hope I don't loose much with 37s, but you have those and like em too.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #260 on: February 12, 2020, 11:40:00 AM »
I sure like the 4.56 with 35s, hope I don't loose much with 37s, but you have those and like em too.

What's the transmission again JR? You can enter gear ratio, tire size speed and trans ratio and even look up each speed's respective ratios in any transmission here: https://www.randysworldwide.com/calculators/transmission-ratio-rpm then you can KNOW what your power curve will look like w/ 37" rubber.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #261 on: February 12, 2020, 11:41:08 AM »
I sure like the 4.56 with 35s, hope I don't loose much with 37s, but you have those and like em too.

since i was ignored on tank size i feel ok DOT’ing this. you have 4.56 and 35s in the LBZ? i was hoping for 4.10 and 35-37s on the 3+3. think i’ll be too far out of range on the 6 speed allison?

i just think lots of modern ‘truck builders’ are running 35-37s on factory 3.73 gears..

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #262 on: February 12, 2020, 12:25:37 PM »
When Tate and I ran it, 4.30s would be perfect with 35s. I have 4.56 now (ally 6 speed) and run just under 2000 rpm at 70 (gps verified)

Now saying that, I love the low end power but think cruzing RPM is a little high over 70 on my setup and think the 37s will help there without hurting low end much.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #263 on: February 12, 2020, 07:17:20 PM »
I just did the RPM calc's

Thanks Tater

Current setup, 4.88's and 35" tires = 2460 @ 70 mph

Going to a 37" tire = 2327 RPM  @  70 mph

Changing to a 4.56 and keeping the 35" tire size = 2298 @ 70 mph

JR, you still have that 9.25 front diff with the 4.56's?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #264 on: February 14, 2020, 05:39:45 PM »
Looking at the pics I think it would look better on 37s


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #265 on: February 14, 2020, 08:44:01 PM »
Still have the gears, axle is gone. (easier to ship gears)
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #266 on: February 15, 2020, 10:15:31 AM »
Looking at the pics I think it would look better on 37s


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Looks obviously aren't what I am after, but the 37" tire question is not off the table at this point. And one of the reasons happen to be those inexpensive Federal Couragia tires I purchased for my D-Max truck. Now with some miles on them they are still showing to be really great tires. How these folks sell them for $240 each and they handle better than the $400 tires is a mystery. I cannot give high marks to the BFG mud terrain tires, or the Toyo open country offerings as well. No tire I have had is any better than these Federals  and with the lower cost than another gear swap, the tire option, lowering my RPM into usable ranges is tempting.

I am going to talk to Nick about doing a 6L90 swap since that could get me to a .67 ratio in sixth. Currently I have a .75. The truck is stable at 70 which has me thinking, I may want to plan around a cruise speed between 70-75. With the blower huffing when necessary, I think I'd appreciate a 2150ish rpm cruise over the 2400 ish cruise I now have.

In any event, I won't make any decisions until after I see how the supercharged and tuned truck runs/handles.

Oh and apparently the supercharger is in, so the burb should be going in soon for the change up
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #267 on: February 15, 2020, 10:29:43 AM »
Did you ever hear anything back from the black bear company?   Anything after your last email to them about lack of customer service?


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« Reply #268 on: February 15, 2020, 11:11:12 AM »
Did you ever hear anything back from the black bear company?   Anything after your last email to them about lack of customer service?


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Sure did,

They said that the tune was correct, I disagreed, and they said they were going to send another tune. I pointed out that it had been months, and they responded that they have a large customer base and lots of work. I pointed out that if they can't write tunes in a reasonable length of time, what good is the service. They think they are doing OK, I think their service is awful, and their tunes have many mistakes.

We agreed to disagree, and I said I would no longer be doing business with them...EOM
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #269 on: February 15, 2020, 11:33:48 AM »
I had wondered what the response would have been. Thank you.   



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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #270 on: February 15, 2020, 11:40:13 AM »
I think they are probably good people. But with the programming staff being one deep, they have committed beyond capability. Justin should keep it small and focus on the one/one game where he can insure customers are satisfied before he departs the A.O.

With this mail order model, the system has to make a bunch of assumptions, there is poor interaction between the end user and Justin, and the time lag is untenable. I lost the use of my vehicle for a couple seasons because of this lack of responsiveness, and that is a huge fail in terms of customer support.

I wish him well in future endeavors.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #271 on: February 24, 2020, 12:11:33 PM »
So, time to supercharge this thing.

Today it went to Nick's shop to begin the teardown and installation of a bunch of new stuff.

Here is the new 1900 Eaton Supercharger. The gentleman who built this one bought up the last of Eaton's castings, and from them he assembles new superchargers on a one-per basis. This one features a 2.4" pulley to produce 12 psi. Nick feels that along with the tune and new cam, the truck should push in excess of 500 ft lbs to the tires which would be around double what a stocker would make.
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« Reply #272 on: February 24, 2020, 12:13:29 PM »
That orientation is correct, as the blower pushes ait up where it sasses through this intercooler in the ZL1 Camaro lid

You can see all sorts of things, especially the new fuel rail/lines
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« Reply #273 on: February 24, 2020, 12:14:58 PM »
Here is the front accessory drive that will reroute a longer 6 rib belt. We decided to stay sane with this, it being a truck and avoided the cost and complication with going to an 8-rib belt assembly
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« Reply #274 on: February 24, 2020, 12:16:13 PM »
These aluminum plates actually adapt the supercharger's square ports to fit the cathedral ports on my chevy 243 high performance heads
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« Reply #275 on: February 24, 2020, 12:18:03 PM »
Nick likes to use lots of stock parts. Here is the coolant pump, a bosch unit, and the factory coolant reservoir.

Nick is rockin' his "Deer in the headlights" look!
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« Reply #276 on: February 24, 2020, 12:20:07 PM »
Here are the new injectors. I think he said 90 PPH units, not sure. I thought we were using 100 PPH, but this is all part of the inner mysteries of mankind like, where is amelia Earhart, and who built the pyramids, and what size injectors fit what!
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« Reply #277 on: February 24, 2020, 12:22:02 PM »
This is the E85 adapter assembly. I am told that should I need a whole bunch more power, fill the tank with the mostly alcohol stuff, thereby reducing my mileage to next to nothing and gaining a bunch of power for the times I tangle with a ZR1 vette out on the trail somewhere...
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« Reply #278 on: February 24, 2020, 12:24:11 PM »
Box full "O" goodies
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« Reply #279 on: February 24, 2020, 12:25:49 PM »
This race tronix twin fuel pump fits the stock location in the tank and comes with its own wiring harness with welding cables for wires. Those Canadians build some nice stuff!
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« Reply #280 on: February 24, 2020, 12:26:43 PM »
These adapters allow my old school injector harness to plug into the new style injectors
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« Reply #281 on: February 24, 2020, 12:27:42 PM »
Nice vette sitting on the chassis dyno backwards...or maybe they just converted it to front wheel drive ;-0
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« Reply #282 on: February 24, 2020, 12:28:39 PM »
This thing is Nick's. It's a Daytona replica that will be getting a healthy LS motor for a heart.
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« Reply #283 on: February 24, 2020, 12:30:20 PM »
In Nick's shop it's a world of opposites. My truck, clearly being the tallest thing in sight is parked beside some hot rod that could be mistaken for a pile of scrap metal in a fab shop sitting like 8" tall!
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« Reply #284 on: February 24, 2020, 12:31:45 PM »
Some shots from around his shop:
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #285 on: February 24, 2020, 12:33:04 PM »
Nick Skaats owner of the business of the same name. You've come quite a ways from the "kid" who sold me that Denali some time ago!
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #286 on: February 24, 2020, 12:33:45 PM »
Lots of nice parts,,,, :likebutton: Are you there to help?

Those screw comp are supposed to be smooth and produce less heat.

So he can actually tune on the dyno, not just mail you a tune months later?

Will you have dial a tune for diff fuel or uses? Makes sense with towing, cruising or tackling mulch beds.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #287 on: February 24, 2020, 02:26:48 PM »
Lots of nice parts,,,, :likebutton: Are you there to help?
Nope, not this time. As the Texas red neck said, I'm just here to write the checks

Those screw comp are supposed to be smooth and produce less heat.
Dunno. I can say it sure looks potent and well built. Nick was saying on a lifted truck and the gears driving it under boost was going to get pretty sporty. I suspect it will run a little better than it does right now

So he can actually tune on the dyno, not just mail you a tune months later?
Yes. This time will be the real deal. He makes a change and evaluates how it responds on the dyno.

Will you have dial a tune for diff fuel or uses? Makes sense with towing, cruising or tackling mulch beds.
Just the MBT (Mulch bed tune) That should cover the most likely hazardous situation I'll ever encounter!

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #288 on: February 24, 2020, 11:54:58 PM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #289 on: February 25, 2020, 06:41:02 AM »
:beercheers:
Almost forgot there was a build going on.  What’s the ETA on delivery?


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #290 on: February 25, 2020, 07:47:05 AM »
:beercheers:
Almost forgot that this build is still going on.  What’s the ETA on delivery?


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« Reply #291 on: February 25, 2020, 08:16:55 AM »
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Almost forgot there was a build going on.  What’s the ETA on delivery? Soft...couple of weeks


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #292 on: February 25, 2020, 09:47:52 PM »
I don't have any pics to prove it, but Nick and company actually have already installed the camshaft and buttoned the front of the motor back up. They also installed the supercharger and were working on the front accessory drive setup when I contacted them early in the afternoon. Those boys don't fool around! That was a bunch of work and done quickly!

I plan to visit tomorrow just before lunch to get some pics
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #293 on: February 25, 2020, 10:52:25 PM »
Sounds like you had better show up with a box of donuts for breakfast or they are going to have it done before your get there!!

At this rate your tires will still be in warranty and they won’t be dry rotted


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« Reply #294 on: February 26, 2020, 12:39:30 AM »
That shop does look busy, but not cluttered. They must get the work in and out without fooling to much.
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« Reply #295 on: February 26, 2020, 12:07:04 PM »
It's getting there.  We tend to start with an order of operations and stick to it.  Things move fairly efficiently that way.  Couple pics from the last two days.  The front portion of the accessory bracket does have to come back off so we can put the updated piece on it.  They moved an idler to a different location that allows for better belt wrap and less chance of slipping.

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« Reply #296 on: February 26, 2020, 12:22:35 PM »
Pics are good! Loves to see this run.
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« Reply #297 on: February 26, 2020, 01:47:56 PM »
I see Nick beat me to it, posting pics of the transformation. I got to spend a few minutes with him and Preston, the chief mechanic. (Only mechanic?)

They are motoring right along
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« Reply #298 on: February 26, 2020, 01:49:26 PM »
Supercharger is on, injectors in, fuel rail mounted, Throttle body hanging around...
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« Reply #299 on: February 26, 2020, 01:50:07 PM »
The ZL1 lid is moving closer to home...
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