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« Reply #1150 on: March 24, 2020, 11:14:11 AM »
Wonder also how much juice from the batteries they four will take,  how many ups n downs till dead battery

Do you have a way to still lift the roof if need be with out power?


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I am not done with the roof lift design

I intend to add two or four gas struts to do the heavy lifting

The electric lifts are attached via simple tractor type clip/pins. Just yank em and the roof is free lancing!
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« Reply #1151 on: March 24, 2020, 11:15:47 AM »
Where did you source the lifting mechanism? The boss man has an old pop up with springs. He is looking to retrofit with an electric jack of some sort.

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« Reply #1152 on: March 24, 2020, 12:41:28 PM »
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« Reply #1153 on: March 24, 2020, 07:53:52 PM »
You're welcome!

So the steel should be ready for pickup tomorrow or the following morning
And the frame came out to four, twenty four foot sections of 2" X 4", 11 gage weighing 450 pounds give or take

And there's more!

The second set of actuators came in today!

Yippee

And I cut the grass for the first time this decade!
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« Reply #1154 on: March 24, 2020, 11:27:50 PM »
Can’t wait to seee these work, so nice to see my ideas play out lol

Looking more forward to seeing this thing behind that monster burb

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« Reply #1155 on: March 25, 2020, 09:06:30 AM »
Can’t wait to seee these work, so nice to see my ideas play out lol

Looking more forward to seeing this thing behind that monster burb

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Well, it was your idea, so you can claim the credit

I think it will work well, but I still want to put some gas struts in there to help, and then chase that with some sturdy brace somewhere to steady that big sail when I hoist it. I recall seeing 70 mph gusts in the california desert when I'd go Armee kampin' there at various "recreation" spots.
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« Reply #1156 on: March 26, 2020, 11:03:43 PM »
After pulling out the folding table top, I added this spacer which allows for a wall side mount of that front lift motor
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« Reply #1157 on: March 26, 2020, 11:05:41 PM »
I reinforced the roof where each actuator pushed against with a minimum of a single plate of 3/4" ply with Cedar glued to the showing side
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« Reply #1158 on: March 26, 2020, 11:06:23 PM »
While I had the table top out, I sanded it and gave it three more coats of spar urethane
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« Reply #1159 on: March 26, 2020, 11:07:26 PM »
The final lift motor was the one beside the door. It went in easy as apple pie!
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« Reply #1160 on: March 26, 2020, 11:14:35 PM »
^^^ I can't get that pic to stand up straight and I'm tired of trying to fix it, so just turn your head sideways!
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« Reply #1161 on: March 26, 2020, 11:16:15 PM »
So I pressed the up button and darned if the top didn't start to uniformly rise!
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« Reply #1162 on: March 26, 2020, 11:17:43 PM »
And then straight up until the aft motors topped out.

The front needs adjustment which it will get starting tomorrow
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« Reply #1163 on: March 26, 2020, 11:38:49 PM »
Holly smokes that gets really tall!!


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« Reply #1164 on: March 27, 2020, 01:12:11 AM »
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« Reply #1165 on: March 27, 2020, 06:21:30 AM »
Wow. Nice.


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« Reply #1166 on: March 27, 2020, 10:59:07 AM »
Still needs to be sorted...But onto the necessary modifications/adjustments
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« Reply #1167 on: March 27, 2020, 11:31:18 AM »
You said you have a canvas for the sides when expanded?


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« Reply #1168 on: March 27, 2020, 05:15:21 PM »
Waaaay too late now but I was just reminded of an 18 wheeler RV that used to be owned by Will Smith. It was two story. The top story actuated up but the sides were hard so it was like a box top lifting up

Would have been neat to see if that concept could have worked on this rig. Top half of the box overlapping the bottom and then actuated up. Could have had hard sides and windows

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« Reply #1169 on: March 27, 2020, 05:29:26 PM »
I think I have seen that,  some discovery channel show or something

Really neat design when you can drop it down to normal height for travel, I imagine road nose cut in half.  I think the top section was actually two sections so the lower level didn’t have windows blocked while in travel position

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« Reply #1170 on: March 27, 2020, 06:47:36 PM »
That’s the second one. The first one didn’t that many have slides on the bottom. It was bought by steve Elkington. I had dinner with him and a few other people in this one a few years ago.


Craig the driver is a cool dude. He’s a coffee officianado and I have a t shirt and coffee mug with the Big Show on it somewhere.

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« Reply #1171 on: March 27, 2020, 07:07:50 PM »
You said you have a canvas for the sides when expanded?


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Yes. Its the same material that is used in US Army Temper tents and for the flexible sides of Semi truck trailers with the fabric sides
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« Reply #1172 on: March 27, 2020, 09:10:30 PM »
A good piece of cedar to hold things in place while I fit things and make them work together
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« Reply #1173 on: March 27, 2020, 09:12:18 PM »
The front hinge mechanism is too large, both too wide and stands the roof up taller than the actuators want to extend. The rear fit is pretty good and the over centering feature of that hinge is working and holds the weight of the roof
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« Reply #1174 on: March 27, 2020, 09:13:06 PM »
So I yanked out the front hinge and went to work on it
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« Reply #1175 on: March 27, 2020, 09:14:43 PM »
While that thing was removed, I centered everything (I think) then screwed in some conduit clamps over the actuators
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« Reply #1176 on: March 27, 2020, 09:18:12 PM »
I have decided to install a second strut controller so that if I so choose, I can raise the front only, say if I have an extremely windy night and all I want is to catch a quick nap. That thing is due in on 2 April. Until then I'll drive all four lifts from the same controller.

Back to the hinge, I narrowed it substantially and then took an inch or so off the length of each panel
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« Reply #1177 on: March 27, 2020, 09:19:26 PM »
Then while I had some working room, reinstalled the folding table. It fit, functioned, and looked great
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« Reply #1178 on: March 27, 2020, 09:20:36 PM »
Then the front hinge was reinstalled yielding a much better fit
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« Reply #1179 on: March 27, 2020, 09:22:17 PM »
Improvise Adapt and Overcome

Wait....wrong branch


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« Reply #1180 on: March 27, 2020, 09:25:10 PM »
As you can see, it overcenters nicely, however the roof can conceivably rock forward or aft quite a ways considering the hinge pivots 180 degrees fore and aft (Yikes!)

I knew that and planned to have opposing gas struts to control that movement, but wanting something bulletproof, I bent up and installed 3/4" steel conduit in such a way that it stores out of the way when the roof is lowered, but will swing down to fasten to the body and completely stop any roof movement.
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« Reply #1181 on: March 27, 2020, 09:25:48 PM »
Improvise Adapt and Overcome

Wait....wrong branch


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« Reply #1182 on: March 27, 2020, 09:27:59 PM »
Here the second one is installed and both are clad in that wiring loom protector that Salt Lake Dave recommended some months ago.

And that completed the work list for this day, a good spring day!

Hope everyone remains healthy and happee!
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« Reply #1183 on: March 27, 2020, 11:20:51 PM »
Holly smokes you have done some major work.      Excited to see this again


The outside vs inside is two different creatures. Inside almost looks refined and they the outside.   Well when ya open it. It’s not all what you would expect


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« Reply #1184 on: March 28, 2020, 11:33:43 AM »
Holly smokes you have done some major work.      Excited to see this again


The outside vs inside is two different creatures. Inside almost looks refined and they the outside.   Well when ya open it. It’s not all what you would expect


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Yea, Its coming together sure enough!

And you've made some good suggestions. Looking now at the simplicity and compactness of the four post electrical actuators, that was a keeper.
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« Reply #1185 on: March 28, 2020, 11:40:35 AM »
Another thing there chief.
The fabric sides will provide all the lateral stability you should need.
We had an old pop up when I was a kid.
Just a four post lift and fabric.

Don’t get too lost in the details of that.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #1186 on: March 28, 2020, 11:44:53 AM »
Another thing there chief.
The fabric sides will provide all the lateral stability you should need.
We had an old pop up when I was a kid.
Just a four post lift and fabric.

Don’t get too lost in the details of that.
I was thinking that too, but you know me...Department of redundancy department and all...

Hey you'll appreciate this

So I was working with Zack over at Motor ops on that duramax trans tune. While talking to him I noted that they had moved from Ontario over to Quebec...something he was not totally enthused about.

Like always, they figured out what was wrong and sent me a new tune which cleared up things.

I wrote him back to say that ever since I loaded the new tune, now my driver's information center reads out on french!

I hope he got a chuckle out of it
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« Reply #1187 on: March 28, 2020, 11:58:10 AM »
In French...the humanity...
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #1188 on: March 28, 2020, 07:58:11 PM »
In French...the humanity...
To fully appreciate it, you should know Zack is a total Ontario/Toronto guy...Was forced to move to Q because of emissions laws in Ontario.

He's not the happiest camper around
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« Reply #1189 on: March 28, 2020, 08:02:55 PM »
To secure the prop rods. I sourced a couple of those hold anything rubber clamps, screwed them to the ceiling and that was done just like that
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« Reply #1190 on: March 28, 2020, 08:04:52 PM »
Those store nicely out of the way.

With the roof up it was my intent to finish trimming that out, but I ran out of cedar before completing the job.
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« Reply #1191 on: March 28, 2020, 08:11:45 PM »
Then I drilled 1/4" holes in the various roof cells formed by the various framing members and started filling the cavities again.

Something bad then happened that never happened before. The foam went to expanding and squeezing out every crack everywhere...What a friggin mess.

I spent the next 20 minutes chasing it all over creation, trying to wipe it off everything it touched. and it seems to have touched everything. I did the best I could, but I have one big mess. I literally threw the (sticky) towel in and walked away...I'll deal with that tomorrow.

Another issue cropped up. I'm not sure if all cylinders crank at the same speed, as the right front corner is several inches lower than the other three. That is putting a lot of strain on the roof, since it is so rigid.

Either that motor runs differently or it has to do with the placement, with that actuator being mounted further forward than the forward one on the left side.
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« Reply #1192 on: March 28, 2020, 09:18:27 PM »
Take all o the actuators and run them up n down on the floor see if the have the same speed and throw....

What are you doing with your power wires from the ceiling with it moving p n down at the time


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« Reply #1193 on: March 28, 2020, 11:12:53 PM »
Take all o the actuators and run them up n down on the floor see if the have the same speed and throw....

What are you doing with your power wires from the ceiling with it moving p n down at the time


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The wires enter from close to the floor level.

I am going to adjust them one at a time to attain a level roof, then run them up/down a few times and measure what's going on
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« Reply #1194 on: March 29, 2020, 09:46:28 AM »
If one has wires significantly longer than others it could be a voltage drop issue too.


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« Reply #1195 on: March 29, 2020, 06:52:30 PM »
If one has wires significantly longer than others it could be a voltage drop issue too.


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The affected actuator is the furthest away, but that will soon be remedied when i add the second control unit for the front acuatorers.
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« Reply #1196 on: March 29, 2020, 09:11:45 PM »
I second what Tex said. With it being the furthest away, and you said you were running them on speaker wire it could just be loss over the line.....especially considering you probably pulled that speaker wire out of the Burb while you were working on it. ;)


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« Reply #1198 on: March 30, 2020, 06:08:47 PM »
Lets build a frame for this thing

Here the two outside rails are fitted to the back lateral section

Again, the frame is 2" X 4" 11 gage with a .120 wall thickness

It looks like some sturdy steel, certainly overbuilt for this application
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« Reply #1199 on: March 30, 2020, 06:11:07 PM »
All total it was a bit over 500 pounds, I think I remember hearing them say.

Next up the cross member that fits to the rear of the wheel well was tacked into place after checking corner to corner distance. It came in at less than 1/16" difference, so the initial setup was pretty square.
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