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1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
« on: September 20, 2014, 03:05:40 PM »
Picked this 1991 Suburban up for $500. Just a 1500 but a cali truck with just some rust on the roof and faded paint.

Been parked for around 8 years, blown rear (gm 8.5) with a 4 inch lift and just 85k miles. Interior is great with a 3rd seat.

I may flip or upgrade to a 6BT (which I have) and get a 2500 with a big block so it will have the gm 10.5 rear and a heavier frame (.194 vs .177)
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2014, 03:11:29 PM »
Here is the roof which seems to be common for the older GMs.

Pulled the tires and wheels off (sold for $100) and got these new steel wheels for $60 and 33" coopers for $800. 
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2014, 04:49:26 PM »
That's a nice one, JR.  I like the barn door Suburbans much better than the tailgated ones.  What powertrain does it currently have besides the blown 8.5" rear end?   

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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2014, 06:25:14 PM »
JR,
I like that truck
Frame, just box it yourself, add in a couple cross members and a stout rock rail system and you're stronger than the 3/4 ton by tons.
That rust is nothing. Sand today, apply rust treatment, then overcoat with red oxide and a coat of cheapo paint to seal it...done or spray bed liner over it and add that roof rack with a plywood floor, which will cool the truck considerably in all that sun and no trees you live in
It's a keeper!
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2014, 07:48:30 PM »
I have the etching primer for the top and will probably use Ace Anti rust on that. I am leaning towards all black or grey but have seen a nice white anti heat house roof coating done on another forum. I also have a gallon of OD that I had for the Samurai, but would black out the hood either way.

Drivetrain as sits is a good ol TBI 5.7, 700r4 and a 241 I think. Front is a 10 bolt but I have a dana 60 8 lug sitting on the side of the house. For the 10 bolt on it now I have a 14 semi with 3.73 to match the front. It has the 14mm studs which I will add to the front if left this way. If I can then get it registered as a 3/4 ton, I can do the diesel swap as there are CARB issues here in Kali with years and GVW swaps.
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 09:26:12 AM »
We talking a 6.5 GMC diesel swap?
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 01:52:26 AM »
We talking a 6.5 GMC diesel swap?

Nooooo, 6BT like yours.
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 11:15:34 AM »
We talking a 6.5 GMC diesel swap?

Nooooo, 6BT like yours.

didn't know the Commissar of Kalifornia allowed such a deviation outside the rules of the state collective!

Sorry bro, I know you hate the rules there as much (More?) as we do...
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2014, 12:03:23 AM »
Well, the plan is to get her running as is with the 14 bolt semi floater. Ad 14mm stud up front and get it upgraded to a 3/4 ton. Then I can drop the 3/4 ton engine in it.

That is how Kali works guys. The engine must be from the same class vehicle (3/4 to 3/4 and of the same or newer year) Nice thing if it s goes that way it will be smog exempt from then on (pre 96 for diesels)

Same reason I can swap the 2002 5.3 truck motor into my 87 El Camino. Elky is classed as a truck her, the 5.3 is newer and from a 1/2 truck and will then be smogged as a 2002.

Believe me I hate this stuff too, but moving as a whole in the near future is out. But I have a hand out for some land in NV. Heck I even just got screwed on buying my service weapon I carried for 20 years. Was told $329 with a 3 15rnd mags, but they wouldn't give them to since I retired 3 months ago. So I paid the $329, then it ran another $85 for background, Tax, DRO and had to wait 10 days to get it.

Only light here is the Gov. who likes 3 gun by the way vetoed a bill that would have made every Kalifornian register any and all weapons without a serial number, retroactive!! And we know that every law abiding citizen would have, just like the bad guys. 
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 03:14:43 PM »
Well, the plan is to get her running as is with the 14 bolt semi floater. Ad 14mm stud up front and get it upgraded to a 3/4 ton. Then I can drop the 3/4 ton engine in it.

That is how Kali works guys. The engine must be from the same class vehicle (3/4 to 3/4 and of the same or newer year) Nice thing if it s goes that way it will be smog exempt from then on (pre 96 for diesels)

Same reason I can swap the 2002 5.3 truck motor into my 87 El Camino. Elky is classed as a truck her, the 5.3 is newer and from a 1/2 truck and will then be smogged as a 2002.

Believe me I hate this stuff too, but moving as a whole in the near future is out. But I have a hand out for some land in NV. Heck I even just got screwed on buying my service weapon I carried for 20 years. Was told $329 with a 3 15rnd mags, but they wouldn't give them to since I retired 3 months ago. So I paid the $329, then it ran another $85 for background, Tax, DRO and had to wait 10 days to get it.

Only light here is the Gov. who likes 3 gun by the way vetoed a bill that would have made every Kalifornian register any and all weapons without a serial number, retroactive!! And we know that every law abiding citizen would have, just like the bad guys. 

...to complete your thought...would have done exactly as the citizens of Connecticut did when their over bearing idiot strewn government tried doing the same thing...hmmm civil insurrection there...
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 03:24:32 PM »
Sorta like the movement here (quelled by the courts again) about splitting the state. There has been a huge push for the state of Jefferson for many years a so many of us are tired of being told what we can't do by a couple big cities.
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2014, 05:11:47 PM »
Maybe in time the presidents speech about having been to all 57 states would come true!

Maryland is in the same boat...wanting a western MD and the eastern shore which is more like New England wants succession as well...State of Baltimore...The new social welfare state???
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2014, 05:12:49 PM »
BTW,

I hope you proceed with a cummins burb project.

Let's stop wasting $$$ on swimming holes and get busy!
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2014, 01:20:57 PM »
So what'd you end up deciding to do with the Burb?
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!

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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2014, 09:55:32 PM »
Been so busy haven't worked on this much. I did find a 14 bolt FF for the rear and it is 4.11 to match the front.

Can't unload right now as I am RR my hoist and will post that in the tool section. That was held up by my new Miller 211 acting up but that was simple fix.

I am leaning more towards the flop though right now, but nothing is solid.
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2014, 09:28:18 AM »
Fun times.
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2014, 05:16:50 AM »
Got a couple things working for the Burb now. Getting the Reg "fixed". (found a 3/4 ton diesel getting parted out with a clear title) but nothing settled yet.

Even though it is a 1/2 ton it is very clean and would be ashame to let it go. As for beefing up the frame it is more or less clear from the rear springs to the front shackles. So boxing all that is deff and option.

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2014, 02:11:26 PM »
Good to hear things are moving along! 

A few years back, Don and I looked at a local, similar vintage 3/4 or 1ton Chevy Crewcab that the owner had swapped a 6bt into.  Boxing and reinforcement are a must even on the 3/4 and 1-ton frames.  You really need a front cross-member also.  This guy didn't do any of that.

At idle, when you cycled the steering, the frame would twist and flex more than an inch!

Good score on the FF 14bolt!
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2014, 02:22:05 PM »
Have been doing the research and will do cross-over streering at least, maybe a booster too.

Unloading the 14b now, think it is a van rear 67 incher so will probably need truck hubs.

If a nice burb does not come up I have a frame with vin available from a 85 diesel. Would be able to do the frame work easy but have done it body on before too. Not sure if the frame thickness of .015 is worth the trouble of a swap.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2014, 03:29:50 PM »
JR, look what I found:

I want it...I want it...

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/4774578500.html
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2014, 03:31:03 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2014, 07:46:05 PM »
Is that a stock color for 6BT Cummins?  Looks VERY familiar........ :)
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2014, 07:48:18 PM »
I think Don got it and put the motor in his garage.

The rear is 4.10 but think it is an open diff. Now to find truck hubs for less than I paid for the whole rear.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2014, 02:39:03 AM »
Hey, what are DOTs doing in here.

Anyway alone with the 14b I also have a Dana 60 from the 6BT truck that will probably find its way into this.

Starting on the 14b soon, the thread is here; http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=593.0
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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2014, 07:54:02 AM »
You can not escape the DOT's, we are every where...........:D
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2014, 11:03:52 AM »
You can not escape the DOT's, we are every where...........:D

And we are many..
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2014, 01:20:43 PM »
HA! On this thread, even I am one!
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2014, 12:20:28 AM »
Man, look what I found just 2 hours away;

http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/4798628400.html

But this is just plain nice!!

http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/4748476480.html
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2014, 04:14:55 AM »
I got a line going on the first one. Looks like a clean cali truck with a clear DIESEL title, 3/4 ton. Only bad is it has a tailgate and a red interior. He is already dropped it some but this maybe good for a body swap.

Thoughts??
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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2014, 08:30:49 AM »
I got a line going on the first one. Looks like a clean cali truck with a clear DIESEL title, 3/4 ton. Only bad is it has a tailgate and a red interior. He is already dropped it some but this maybe good for a body swap.

Thoughts??

That's a good one. Already has a 14bolt rear axle in it.
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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2014, 08:34:27 AM »
At $20,000, the one in Eugene is on the top end of the daily driver price range.  Its nice too though.

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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2014, 08:51:06 AM »
I think the 20K one is over priced and rough.
The motor is not from a dodge truck but some commercial application. The "After-cooler is bolted to the intake. Good motor but limited with that after-cooler/intercooler

Other one would be a nice score, best buy of the two. But I think that 14 bolt is a semi floater...could be wrong with it being a diesel. Also not aware of a 12 bolt front...GM put 10 bolt's in 3/4 ton just like early F250's had thick axle tube D44's. I know, I bought one once.

Seems you could cummins up the diesel selection and be title perfect.
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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2014, 12:50:19 PM »
yeah, my 73 has a d44....but, I have a 1 ton D60 (or D70?.? icr) I was going to mod and install. The problem is, I never have busted that little 44, so I'm kinda partial to it.
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2014, 01:57:17 PM »
I'm waiting for more pictures, it will have a corp 10 bolt front and a SF 14 bolt in back. Both will come out for a dana 60 and 14b FF and of course the 6bt

No engine or tranny and the tires/wheels in the picture are not on it.

I don't like;

Back fees due of around $200 (plus Ca tax and a 400 mile drive)

Red Interior

Tailgate

I do like;

California truck=no rust!!!

I prefer the GMC grill to the Chevy

3/4 ton=heavier frame,

Pre 96 diesel, no smog ever but still a legal swap here in KALI.

Will have PS brake booster already.


With all this it could be an good frame swap. I mean its a few plugs and what, 6 bolts for the body? I would want the front end off for the swap anyway. Sure wish I had a BIG GARAGE!!!
 
I would get my clean barn door body with nice interior, keep the GMC grill and it would be perfect!
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2014, 02:49:45 PM »
I like the first one.
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2014, 04:48:31 PM »
Me too, I would never pay that for a sub, even with a cummins.

Looks like I might get the first one then just do a cab swap so I get the barn doors and a great interior.
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2014, 04:48:59 PM »
I'm waiting for more pictures, it will have a corp 10 bolt front and a SF 14 bolt in back. Both will come out for a dana 60 and 14b FF and of course the 6bt

No engine or tranny and the tires/wheels in the picture are not on it.

I don't like;

Back fees due of around $200 (plus Ca tax and a 400 mile drive)

Red Interior

Tailgate

I do like;

California truck=no rust!!!

I prefer the GMC grill to the Chevy

3/4 ton=heavier frame,

Pre 96 diesel, no smog ever but still a legal swap here in KALI.

Will have PS brake booster already.


With all this it could be an good frame swap. I mean its a few plugs and what, 6 bolts for the body? I would want the front end off for the swap anyway. Sure wish I had a BIG GARAGE!!!
 
I would get my clean barn door body with nice interior, keep the GMC grill and it would be perfect!
I like how this is shaping up if you buy the diesel and do the frame swap

I like the barn doors as well...don't need no stinkin tailgate!
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2014, 05:25:52 PM »
I just need to borrow a trailer to go get it, then explain to the wife why I have another one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2014, 12:32:39 AM »
Doing research I find that DieselPower Mag did a Doomsday Suburban build in 7 parts. I am reading it now getting ideas.
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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2014, 03:35:01 AM »
Decisions, decisions,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Found this local and looks like a keeper. 2500 1991 with barn doors. Ruff inside and gas but legal to swap the 6BT into.

With what I can flip the 1500 91 for and the motor and tranny from this I will be ahead!!
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2014, 07:03:30 AM »
Does that Warn 8274 come with it?  Best winch ever made, IMO.


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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2014, 07:43:44 AM »
Concur with bonehead here

That 8724 is like my old 64 SS impala (My first car) just a classic

It wouldn't be enough for that hefty burb, but I'm guessing it would fit on Duane's jeep well enough!
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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2014, 09:34:34 AM »
X3 on the winch!!
.. does it have a stick sticking up from the floor? Forestry burbs were known for that, not that that has anything to do with it being gubberment...
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« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2014, 09:37:23 AM »
Been talking to Duane

We need that winch, so JR buy that burb!

Duane will pay something for the winch carcass, but he wants to tear it down and rebuild it to new condition on this site, then install it in his jeep.

How is it that you are coming up with so many good buildable burbs up there?

Seriously...I might want to jump in this myself!
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2014, 10:16:22 AM »
Yep, Im happy with this one and it is not 3 hours away!! Hopefully I can look at it today.

Its all mechanical, floor shift, crank windows even looks like locking hubs. I'm guessing it has a 400 tranny maybe even a BB.

I can even drive it home!!
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2014, 10:47:25 AM »
Just got hooked up with the guy, should look at it today. He said most don't want to come out to where it is. Point Reyes which is above SF right on the coast, just 60 miles from me and a killer drive!

It has a 350, surface rust and a bad front fender which is coming off for the transplant anyway. He said the only issue is about 5 antenna holes up top (why do you guys do that)

Interior is bare, no rear AC (whaa)
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2014, 11:20:20 AM »
sweet find
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2014, 11:40:49 AM »
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Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2014, 01:14:30 PM »
Crank windows and manual everything are the way to go! fewer electromechanical components to fail.

If you do get it and want to part with the winch, let me know.  I got talked into letting my last 8274 go with the last CJ7 I sold about 14 years ago. Regretted it ever since...
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