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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #950 on: March 22, 2018, 01:03:39 PM »
You already have the bumpers, upgrading winches adds little weight if any.

Roof rack, a hundred or so until you load it up Don style,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sure glade I have the LBZ, but I understand wanting the pump and ally upgrade.
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #951 on: March 22, 2018, 01:10:02 PM »
I think your more likely going to go through a trans before your pump goes, if you build that than you are not limited to breaking anything.  Fix the trans than it doesn?t matter what you pull weight wise or power you add. 


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« Reply #952 on: March 22, 2018, 01:20:49 PM »
I have limped mine once, would like to build it.
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #953 on: March 22, 2018, 02:00:22 PM »
You already have the bumpers, upgrading winches adds little weight if any.

Roof rack, a hundred or so until you load it up Don style,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sure glade I have the LBZ, but I understand wanting the pump and ally upgrade.
I have a skinny little 9K winch on the front
A 16.5 will add from 100 to maybe 120 more there
Push bar uprights with two cross bars and wings, maybe 80

Roof rack is #75 (I have built over a half dozen...) and additional reinforcing, maybe #20 more

Two 2" X .120 wall hoops is an easy 80-100

Placing some steel under the front back to the crossmenber, then under the trans, Xfer case and fuel tank is #200

A 10 K winch in the rear bumper is #75

Then a case of water is what, #20???

An easy #2,000-#3000 pounds That is when you consider now the entire chassis will be one solid cube of wet mud!

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« Reply #954 on: March 22, 2018, 03:47:40 PM »
Put the 9k in the back. Does a 16k really weigh that much more, 100#?

I understand the skids and front end, got to protect stuff. What about the alum drive shaft? Just a little skuff and its gone!
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #955 on: March 22, 2018, 04:00:48 PM »

You already have the bumpers, upgrading winches adds little weight if any.

Roof rack, a hundred or so until you load it up Don style,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sure glade I have the LBZ, but I understand wanting the pump and ally upgrade.
I have a skinny little 9K winch on the front
A 16.5 will add from 100 to maybe 120 more there
Push bar uprights with two cross bars and wings, maybe 80

Roof rack is #75 (I have built over a half dozen...) and additional reinforcing, maybe #20 more

Two 2" X .120 wall hoops is an easy 80-100

Placing some steel under the front back to the crossmenber, then under the trans, Xfer case and fuel tank is #200

A 10 K winch in the rear bumper is #75

Then a case of water is what, #20???

An easy #2,000-#3000 pounds That is when you consider now the entire chassis will be one solid cube of wet mud!

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Well, not a lot of extra weight because of some fancy bed topper anyway.

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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #956 on: March 22, 2018, 04:39:03 PM »
Put the 9k in the back. Does a 16k really weigh that much more, 100#?

I understand the skids and front end, got to protect stuff. What about the alum drive shaft? Just a little skuff and its gone!

Looked up Harbor freight winches

9K    77.3 lbs
18K  167.2

So 90 lbs more give or take
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« Reply #957 on: March 22, 2018, 04:54:27 PM »
I get the larger front winch, I don?t like the rear winch (kind of, but not really, buy winch accessories and learn how to use them properly and they are a lot less than a 10k winch and extra weight etc.). You live in the land of trees Don not the Sahara.

Cargo basket, ok not much weight or cost added. The rest of this stuff I?m just sitting here and shaking my head honestly.  :popcorn: 1500# is a lot of weight to add even to a 1 ton that is already a pig weight wise.
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« Reply #958 on: March 22, 2018, 06:36:18 PM »
Why not just get a 12k for the front and double line if needed? And if weight is an issue, just go synthetic line? You could be at the same weight then with a 12k.

Shawn, this things need under armor.  Even just a plate from the trans to the tcase would be a huge improvement.
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« Reply #959 on: March 22, 2018, 07:12:23 PM »
Why not just get a 12k for the front and double line if needed? And if weight is an issue, just go synthetic line? You could be at the same weight then with a 12k.

Shawn, this things need under armor.  Even just a plate from the trans to the tcase would be a huge improvement.

JR, he keeps it up he's gunna need a PTO 20K powered winch........ :knucklehead:

Sorry Don, the rock crawler side of me is coming out and all this added weight is a no go off road.  :beercheers: so I say smarter move is less overall weight.
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« Reply #960 on: March 22, 2018, 07:14:28 PM »
At that point why not just get an LMTV


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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #961 on: March 22, 2018, 07:26:34 PM »
There is an idea, if the unimog had more speed I would say get one of those or a oshkos type truck start with a already bulletproof frame


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« Reply #962 on: March 22, 2018, 08:04:04 PM »
There is an idea, if the unimog had more speed I would say get one of those or a oshkos type truck start with a already bulletproof frame


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Convert the axles in the unimog to a 9? center section, get any ratio you want. Buddy of mine does the conversions.
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« Reply #963 on: March 22, 2018, 09:09:01 PM »
...And there they go...off to the races...
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« Reply #964 on: March 22, 2018, 11:14:04 PM »
There is an idea, if the unimog had more speed I would say get one of those or a oshkos type truck start with a already bulletproof frame


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« Reply #965 on: March 22, 2018, 11:31:06 PM »
Tex your to up in years lol.  Your busy taking big lifts off of trucks ha ha


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« Reply #966 on: March 22, 2018, 11:32:19 PM »
If you search unimog axle conversions guys have been doing them for some time on the 404 & 416 portal axles. The problem with them in stock configuration is obviously the axle gear ratio. Build a center nine chunk and have double ended shafts built and you can then bolt the outer?s onto that nine axle housing. Off road guys love the ground clearance those portal axles have. I used to cut the raw components for WEPS off-road and I even sold his product for awhile. Andy guy who ran it was a former Navy Sea Bee so he has some machining experience.....
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« Reply #967 on: March 23, 2018, 12:36:08 AM »
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« Reply #968 on: March 23, 2018, 08:41:25 AM »
If you search unimog axle conversions guys have been doing them for some time on the 404 & 416 portal axles. The problem with them in stock configuration is obviously the axle gear ratio. Build a center nine chunk and have double ended shafts built and you can then bolt the outer?s onto that nine axle housing. Off road guys love the ground clearance those portal axles have. I used to cut the raw components for WEPS off-road and I even sold his product for awhile. Andy guy who ran it was a former Navy Sea Bee so he has some machining experience.....
I?ll look into it. I had researched unimogs extensively about 8 years ago and was going to drop serious coin on a frame off doka rebuild but the axles kept me from doing it. At that time all I found was custom gears for the portal axles but that option seemed to be limited and the top speed was still too low.  I?d want a comfortable cruise rpm at 70 even if it meant modifications to the 6 banger diesel to get the power.

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« Reply #969 on: March 23, 2018, 08:47:11 AM »
If you search unimog axle conversions guys have been doing them for some time on the 404 & 416 portal axles. The problem with them in stock configuration is obviously the axle gear ratio. Build a center nine chunk and have double ended shafts built and you can then bolt the outer?s onto that nine axle housing. Off road guys love the ground clearance those portal axles have. I used to cut the raw components for WEPS off-road and I even sold his product for awhile. Andy guy who ran it was a former Navy Sea Bee so he has some machining experience.....
I?ll look into it. I had researched unimogs extensively about 8 years ago and was going to drop serious coin on a frame off doka rebuild but the axles kept me from doing it. At that time all I found was custom gears for the portal axles but that option seemed to be limited and the top speed was still too low.  I?d want a comfortable cruise rpm at 70 even if it meant modifications to the 6 banger diesel to get the power.

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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #970 on: March 23, 2018, 09:16:04 PM »
Sorry to interrupt everyone's chat party with anything, but today I got to really work those Goodrich MT's

And wow, do they work. I pulled a trailer back with some lumber, then later on came back out with a tractor on the same trailer, and not once did those tires spin. They just keep plodding along while throwing really meaty clods of mud everywhere. Some even made it inside the truck!

I had hoped to get there early enough to hopefully find the ground frozen, but there was nothing but gooey mud and standing puddles of water.
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« Reply #971 on: March 23, 2018, 09:21:19 PM »
You should take a photo of what the asphalt looks like when you left and lost all the mud off the tires


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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #972 on: March 24, 2018, 10:57:56 AM »
what kind of report can you give us on that topper you put on there?  we say you have it installed, but you have never given us any sort of feedback/update on it.....does it leak, how do you have it outfitted, would you get one like that again, etc?
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« Reply #973 on: March 24, 2018, 12:25:55 PM »
what kind of report can you give us on that topper you put on there?  we say you have it installed, but you have never given us any sort of feedback/update on it.....does it leak, how do you have it outfitted, would you get one like that again, etc?
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Not the fiberglass models which tend to make the truck look like a Suburban, this thing is all business.

It has a bent aluminum frame which has an aluminum skin riveted to it. I make the aluminum .032" Same as aircraft skin. The doors and sides all operate like new and although I have added extra mounts, it has never once come loose or rattled.

If you allow stuff to slide around on the inside, expect dents to appear as I have experienced. There is just nothing I don't still like about it.

I like it so much, it is the reason I am always looking for a dually. I could mount a gooseneck in my truck easily enough, the that would cause the removal of that topper, which I just refuse to do. So, someday, a gooseneck dedicated dually will be in the offering to be able to haul the CTL and gravel and heavier things.

If you are considering one, these industrial models are the stuff. I purchased mine 6" taller than the roof outline to someday accommodate a roof basket with connecting steel bars which I want to use to help push tree limbs away.
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« Reply #974 on: March 24, 2018, 05:56:33 PM »
I am not sure we have ever seen a photo of the inside of that topper Don


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« Reply #975 on: March 24, 2018, 06:06:21 PM »
I am not sure we have ever seen a photo of the inside of that topper Don


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« Reply #976 on: March 24, 2018, 06:26:24 PM »
Bodies of who? He never goes anywhere but the farm and the John deer store, he obviously hasnt killed those folks. Just paid for their kids college is all


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« Reply #977 on: March 24, 2018, 08:05:20 PM »
I am not sure we have ever seen a photo of the inside of that topper Don


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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #978 on: March 24, 2018, 08:08:02 PM »
I need to get in that box and mount some things that have been ah-floppin' around, so I'll shoot some pics after I clean it a tad bit!

So today I installed some Covercraft "Tactical" nylon seat covers with a molle seat back so's eyes kan weave to me heart's content

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« Reply #979 on: March 24, 2018, 08:09:55 PM »
It comes with 2 ea of: seat bottom, seat tops and headrests. THen it also comes with an assortment of pouches so you can fit some things to your seat backs for organization
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« Reply #980 on: March 24, 2018, 08:13:45 PM »
Any soldiers looking at these pics are liable to break out in hives just remembering working your kit and installing and reinstalling your stuff until you got that "Just-right" fit. Civies don't understand just how stiff the Armee and Jarhead stuff really is. I believe the straps on a standard grenade pouch rival a good steel for tensile strength and resistance to bending, but BENDIN' the stuff is all you do for about a week...probably why all of us get 10 disability for carpel-tunnel syndrome when we take the velcro off for the last time...

Da box also came with a catalog and instructions...I canned each immediately!
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« Reply #981 on: March 24, 2018, 08:17:31 PM »
First up, you install the seat back cover.

Now to get the head rest off your chebby, you press the detent on the right stalk and extend until it don't extends no more! Then just like you are some interior guru or something do the same thing on the left one and out she comes. Oh, forgot to mention, you first need to pop the trim ring up on the left side to gain access to the plunger. A flat blade will work nicely, and it you're attacked by ninjas during the process you can defend yer-self! ;-))
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« Reply #982 on: March 24, 2018, 08:19:39 PM »
They provide a koul tuckin' tool to push all the straps and what not inbetween the beat back and bottom. I discovered the tool after I had finished but I think I can use it to put my sunday-go-to-meetin' shoes in the morning!
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« Reply #983 on: March 24, 2018, 08:21:13 PM »
After tucking the straps resembling coat tails on a formal 1930's tux, you pull the white strip off and some chemical reaction takes place bonding it all together. Either that or it uncovers the velcro and that does the deed...
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« Reply #984 on: March 24, 2018, 08:22:32 PM »
I wanted a cleaner installation than I had with the sheepskinners so I actually removed some seat trim, then fished all the straps around the frame beneath the trim...ain't I special!
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« Reply #985 on: March 24, 2018, 08:24:25 PM »
And as a side note, before slipping on the covers, I applied some good leather conditioner to the cowhide before installation. Incidentally, I have used this stuff since new, and looking at the driver's seat bottom, I am seeing very little cracking or wear lines. Maybe my wide posterior just spreads the load out more evenly, dunno...
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« Reply #986 on: March 24, 2018, 08:25:48 PM »
Here the bottom has just been slipped into place with some adjusting. I figure I'll "just sit on it for awhile" to see how the fitment works out, then adjust later on.
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« Reply #987 on: March 24, 2018, 08:30:47 PM »
This stuff is that ballistic/HD nylon that isn't but is pretty stout!

Now the headrests are not good...nope, I rate them as near fail (NF)

The amount of compression that one needs to do to get the factory headrests inside that bag is akin to what happens when a star collapses in on itself. Not easy, like way not easy.

Then the fit is junky. The side tabs have no means of securing to anything and really must be tucked inside the front and back flaps which are velcro closed. I took one look at the installed fit and gave them over to the razor...The razor won, but I realized I could use the bags to wrap around someone's knogin when the zombie apocalypse happens.
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« Reply #988 on: March 24, 2018, 08:32:19 PM »
That looks like crap!
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« Reply #989 on: March 24, 2018, 08:32:50 PM »
Then I started mounting bags. Stuff I wanted to reach went on the back of the passenger seat.

I put things I may need in the future on the back of my seat. THis one pouch was just begging to get filled with 12 gage shells...part of any well appointed interior (At least in the Tuck)
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« Reply #990 on: March 24, 2018, 08:33:28 PM »
That looks like crap!


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« Reply #991 on: March 24, 2018, 08:34:45 PM »
That is a grenade pouch by my reckoning...but it came from Covercraft...Anyone got a spare Frag???
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #992 on: March 24, 2018, 08:36:01 PM »
The other seat back looks like the hanging gardens of babylon, for now
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #993 on: March 24, 2018, 08:37:30 PM »
Placed a bit more ammo in the big bag. The boys use the stuff all the time, so mind as well carry some extra for those spare precious minutes at the farm when were shootin' something
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« Reply #994 on: March 24, 2018, 08:39:10 PM »
I cut the bottom out of a real grenade pouch for my flashlight. ANother pouch fitted my knife pretty well, and still another stored up the winch control cable perfectly
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #995 on: March 24, 2018, 08:41:58 PM »
Hair brush you ask...I can never find one, further I seldom use one, but for meetings and church, I NEED ONE, so now it is a part of an arranged seat back!

If I had the red dog, I wouldn't give it five minutes on a bad day!

They also provided some handy bag with a drawstring, so I put the emergency tire inflator in there along with my bottle of Diesel-911
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #996 on: March 24, 2018, 08:42:44 PM »
I am not sure we have ever seen a photo of the inside of that topper Don


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Probably hiding bodies in there....
Naw, I left the coon out in the pasture for the buzzards!
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #997 on: March 24, 2018, 10:05:59 PM »
Seat covers look familiar, except mine were so tight I could barely get them on. is that the h/duty carhart style fabric?
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« Reply #998 on: March 25, 2018, 07:30:50 AM »
Seat covers look familiar, except mine were so tight I could barely get them on. is that the h/duty carhart style fabric?
Its some kind of very heavy nylon
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Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
« Reply #999 on: March 25, 2018, 09:48:37 AM »
Replace the cp4.  Got rid of my truck before it failed, but I was also running a cp3 along with the cp4.  But, we had two more lml's in our fleet.  Both lost the cp4.  These were factory lml one ton reg cab 4wd trucks.  One failed at about 60k miles.  Other made it to around the 130k mark.  Friend of mine just had insurance company TOTAL his duramax.  Reg cab lml one ton 4wd.  Factory, and not a daily driver.  Used it for hauling his tractor around and hauling hay on weekends.  At 160k his cp4 went out and destroyed everything.  $15k in damage.  Like you said, when it goes, kiss everything fuel related from the injectors to the fuel tank good bye. 

By the way Don, the local shop that replaced both of the one tons we had in our fleet, they swapped the cp4's out without removing the body.  All done from overhead.  Does require removal of the turbo, but all the def junk has already been removed on your truck, so you have half the battle won...

I know there are a few lml's out there that haven't had an issue yet, but I know 90% more that have had them go out than the ones that are still factory...