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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #200 on: May 10, 2015, 10:31:48 PM »
HAHAHAHA,

You my friend are definately not a true stuck up suit.  I just have to give you a little razzin every now and then.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #201 on: May 11, 2015, 12:08:26 AM »
Secret entrance into the basement?  ;)
No place you'd want to stay for very long!

But who would look for you down there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #202 on: May 11, 2015, 02:30:28 AM »
hey now, I think there are a few of us on here that would have absolutely no problem using that fine building as long as we didn't have to utilize a mixture of mogas and jp-8 to burn what it was that  we evacuated from our systems........  ;D

we all know that MRS flyin6 will never, ever, be asked to conduct such duties, but on the other hand, I  think we have many such vol-in-tolds for such a mission......... :o

I am guessing such folks like
the flyin 6 pre-rangers
the dustoff pre-ranger
ken
tate
bob
the guy from the land of Obama (mike, still love yah!)
that electrician guy from mass
I think there is a guy from LA/TX that does a lot of heavy equipment stuff (ash)
the guy that used to own great lakes off road and is now taking some family time (shawn)
we have a suit from TX (R/N)

oh what the heck, everybody gets a turn doing this!

Thanks for the flashbacks Nate...
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« Reply #203 on: May 11, 2015, 08:20:55 AM »
  ;D
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #204 on: May 11, 2015, 11:01:09 AM »
Will the latrine be the dig-a-deep-hole kind or the JP-8-half-drum kind? 

If its the former, I have an 9 year-old RL-1 operator and a mini-excavator that we can trailer down.

Not this weekend though, AA and AAA hockey tryouts... 
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #205 on: May 11, 2015, 12:09:22 PM »
Hole

3' X 3' X 3-4'

lined walls with PT lumber

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #206 on: May 11, 2015, 12:59:22 PM »

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)

Those 2 statements are counterintuitive... JK

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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #207 on: May 11, 2015, 01:25:06 PM »
Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

machinery........?

I never knew that there were such machines to make doing work easier, until I joined the army.  manual labor would be my vote.  just let me know if you need a copy of the field san manual.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #208 on: May 11, 2015, 01:31:55 PM »
Hole

3' X 3' X 3-4'

lined walls with PT lumber

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)
Food for thought. That is not a real deep hole. Not sure on intended duration for use, drainage and soil makeup.
If it's just a short term thing it will probably suffice, but for long term I'd want to go deeper. Also if you keep paper products out of it, the natural process is more efficient and effective. Septabs I think is what I put in mine a couple times a year to get it working, probably other variants to do the same.
These are not something you want to deal with too many times, I need to redo the original at my cabin this year. No idea how deep it was, 20 years old or so. I'm planning on 4 x 4 x 7-8 deep.

And yes, character building project.  :D
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I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #209 on: May 11, 2015, 02:24:24 PM »
Your fields are looking much better now that they are knocked down.  Seeing your progress motivated me to finally reclaim some sections of my woods.  It was an exciting experience.  Random sticks and the base of old stumps being ground up sounded horrible, but no damage was done and the brush cutting continues.  You can see how tall the weeds were ahead of the tractor.  Now I can actually walk down to the stream in shorts without the stinging pain from nettles!

I removed my front end loader so that I could more easily maneuver through the tight trees.  You mentioned it became unstable on the side hills, if you are not able to remove the entire FEL, I would highly recommend dropping the bucket off.   Removing 100 lbs from the front moves the center of gravity rearward enough that my tractor feels significantly more stable.  And I should know, I've nearly tipped the thing over about a half dozen times.  When doing loader work I always leave it in 4x4 so that I can steer into it as it starts to lean and accelerate through.  I am building a small motocross track with lots of jumps, so that may not be a typical application.


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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #210 on: May 11, 2015, 08:26:56 PM »
Thanks for the tips on bush hogging. I can remove the FEL easily, although this tractor is significantly larger. It's a 66HP unit.

I plan to nug out the bumper on SquareD-ness tomorrow, then drive over to visit with an Amish guy I what to build the shed/workshop for me, then get into the outhouse project on Thursday.

We are due for a lot of rain over the weekend so I might keep it in close and finish the crapper build and even paint the thing
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #211 on: May 13, 2015, 01:43:23 AM »
I have to agree with Sammconn and go deeper on the outhouse unless you are only planning very limited use and your soil is fantastic draining. They can fill surprisingly fast. I treat mine with a bucket of warm water and some of these http://www.roebic.com/septic-systems.shtml a couple times a summer to help it digest. The ground is too cold here to allow to digest without some help. Look forward to some pictures of the build there.

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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #212 on: May 13, 2015, 07:42:51 AM »
I have to agree with Sammconn and go deeper on the outhouse unless you are only planning very limited use and your soil is fantastic draining. They can fill surprisingly fast. I treat mine with a bucket of warm water and some of these http://www.roebic.com/septic-systems.shtml a couple times a summer to help it digest. The ground is too cold here to allow to digest without some help. Look forward to some pictures of the build there.
OK the wise men have spoken...go deeper sez the guys in the know.
Hey, it's forced labor so who cares how deep it is? How about deep enough so a pre-ranger standing in the bottom can't be seen?

Going today to check out the buildings, should pick up the materials and start construction tomorrow

Question: Shingles or steel roof?
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #213 on: May 13, 2015, 07:55:38 AM »
Steel is forever. Shingles are replaceable. If I were t do it again and I did my cabin a couple years ago it would be steel.
Now, steel roof in hailstorm is quite loud.
Sorry to be so indecisive.

Probably steel.
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I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #214 on: May 13, 2015, 08:12:15 AM »
Steel is forever. Shingles are replaceable. If I were t do it again and I did my cabin a couple years ago it would be steel.
Now, steel roof in hailstorm is quite loud.
Sorry to be so indecisive.

Probably steel.
I figure the enclosure will be 4 X 4 or maybe 4 wide by 6' deep. The roof will overhang, what, 8" on a side. I'll pitch it to an 8/12 or even steep for looks to a 12/12
Should be able to do all that with two pieces of steel. Oh was planning for one of those light transfer skylight tube things.
I actually don't know what it is going to look like. Much the same as the bumper, I just go at it and shape it up as I go.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #215 on: May 13, 2015, 09:12:03 AM »
Question: Shingles or steel roof?


Steel. There is also steel that resembles shingles so sort of a compromise I suppose.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #216 on: May 13, 2015, 10:37:10 AM »
Is this going to serve a second purpose, as possibly a hide, with gun ports in all directions, surrounded by these?

...then yes, a steel roof would be best. :)
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #217 on: May 13, 2015, 10:46:37 AM »
thought this would be beneficial for your out house construction.

http://acagle.net/images/Privy-Plan.pdf

http://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/building-an-outhouse-zmaz72jmazraw.aspx

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Outhouse  (I found this article a bit lengthy but VERY informative!)

here are a few videos on building an outhouse:  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=building+an+outhouse
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #218 on: May 13, 2015, 11:32:41 AM »
Needs a catchy name like in the John Wayne movie, The Green Beret's, Provo's Privy.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #219 on: May 13, 2015, 04:41:26 PM »
Needs a catchy name like in the John Wayne movie, The Green Beret's, Provo's Privy.
So, "Crack-house" is out
The local dump is not so good either
I really wanted to put a urinal in there and place a picture of Jane Fonda in it...just like all the urinals in the old spec ops hangars I used to live in
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« Reply #220 on: May 13, 2015, 05:12:34 PM »
Needs a catchy name like in the John Wayne movie, The Green Beret's, Provo's Privy.
So, "Crack-house" is out
The local dump is not so good either
I really wanted to put a urinal in there and place a picture of Jane Fonda in it...just like all the urinals in the old spec ops hangars I used to live in

Do that and I'll stop every time I'm NEAR Kentucky just for some target practice.......unless she's on fire - then I'll just watch!
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« Reply #221 on: May 13, 2015, 09:25:00 PM »
I'd heard stories like that Don.  Glad to know they were true!

Of course, I would not pee on her to put her out...but I would beat her with a shovel to put her out....
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« Reply #222 on: May 14, 2015, 02:03:24 AM »

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Quick comment here... It's not the steel roofs that fail, it's the fasteners. The rubber grommets blow out sometimes in very short periods of time, especially if they are too tight. So prepare to climb up there and swap the screws out every five years or so...
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #223 on: May 16, 2015, 08:49:50 PM »
OK, started the outhouse or "Privy" construction today

It started with this pile of lumber and screws about $140 worth so far
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #224 on: May 16, 2015, 08:51:40 PM »
Using these two saws which will be going down to the farm when I get that shed up and cooking.

I like the line the Dewalt projects that shows where the cut is about to occur.
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« Reply #225 on: May 16, 2015, 08:53:42 PM »
Here's the plan, a cool little Privy from Canada. I like the construction, attention to detail, and "Quaintness" of the thing, so I'm gonna own one of my own
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« Reply #226 on: May 16, 2015, 08:55:24 PM »
First came the frame, held together by big #10 X 3 1/2" exterior screws. The whole thing will be screwed together
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #227 on: May 16, 2015, 08:56:33 PM »
Exterior frame is a doubled pressure treated 2 X 4 construction
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« Reply #228 on: May 16, 2015, 08:57:28 PM »
Then the rest of the floor joists and bracing
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« Reply #229 on: May 16, 2015, 08:58:10 PM »
I precut the timbers for the back wall
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« Reply #230 on: May 16, 2015, 08:59:40 PM »
Then assembled that wall and fastened it to the bottom with those 3 1/2" screws

It's mugo strong already!
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« Reply #231 on: May 16, 2015, 09:01:27 PM »
Working by myself, that took a little while to put together!

I'll see if I can get some more done tomorrow
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #232 on: May 16, 2015, 09:49:01 PM »
Looks like a good start. Are you going to set it on some blocks or something?  Ground contact will start rotting pretty quick if you don't. You probably know that already but figured I would mention it. ;)

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« Reply #233 on: May 16, 2015, 10:03:12 PM »
I probably read it and didn't register in my brain housing group, but you pre-fabbing this then disassembling and trans? Or 100% build then transport?
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« Reply #234 on: May 17, 2015, 07:11:28 AM »
Looks like a good start. Are you going to set it on some blocks or something?  Ground contact will start rotting pretty quick if you don't. You probably know that already but figured I would mention it. ;)
After the pit is dug in I will set a foundation of a 6X6 box set in gravel, then drag the privy on top of that. The site has some slope so it will drain properly and the whole bottom floor section is all pressure treated materials
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« Reply #235 on: May 17, 2015, 07:12:35 AM »
I probably read it and didn't register in my brain housing group, but you pre-fabbing this then disassembling and trans? Or 100% build then transport?

I was going to build the panels and assemble on site, but even though it will be heavy, I think I'll just build it here and heave it onto a trailer and drag it down there in one piece
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #236 on: May 17, 2015, 12:34:18 PM »
I was going to build the panels and assemble on site, but even though it will be heavy, I think I'll just build it here and heave it onto a trailer and drag it down there in one piece

I see.
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« Reply #237 on: May 17, 2015, 04:43:17 PM »
so a couple of questions for yah don.

1. whats the hole size gonna be?

2. why is there a huge hole ripped into your dry wall behind the dewalt miter saw that looks like it is starting to mold?

3. why are there several burn out marks on the floor in your basement?
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« Reply #238 on: May 17, 2015, 06:08:10 PM »
so a couple of questions for yah don.

1. whats the hole size gonna be?

2. why is there a huge hole ripped into your dry wall behind the dewalt miter saw that looks like it is starting to mold?

3. why are there several burn out marks on the floor in your basement?

Hole size, standard oval (None of that girly round stuff here) with a "regular" toilet seat fitted

Hole...Outside water faucet was leaking and molded up the inside wall so I did the right thing and ripped the snot out of it along with everything else inside the wall. It's good now, all bleached now for a couple years. I'll get around to fixing it someday

Burn out marks...Well, used to keep a Harley down there. Had to exercise it during the winter months!
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« Reply #239 on: May 18, 2015, 09:19:12 PM »
Started thinking about something

Suppose I threw up a building like the one pictured, actually several. One is a barn, one is a shop and mechanical room, and one has a house concealed inside...hmmm

I am getting a quote on a shop/shed this size at the moment built to my spec on site. The builder I am speaking to actually built this structure
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« Reply #240 on: May 18, 2015, 10:02:55 PM »
One of the buildings I saw that I was really impressed with was a large metal building like your picture and the front 2/3 was the shop with double bays, workbenches etc. The rear third was the living quarters that looked just as nice as any house. They had a patio in the back so if you entered from that side you never knew it was a shop. Worked really well and both the husband and wife were happy because they both got what they wanted.  ;)

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« Reply #241 on: May 19, 2015, 11:52:09 AM »
Very versatile, and the metal will last forever. Can be re-purposed easily, but a portion of it can be used as housing until the future 'house' is built...

I'm assuming those are pole structures. You can pour concrete in one/some and have a nice slab, but it's not required... gravel or dirt would be a suitable floor too, if it was mainly used for tool/equipment storage, barn, etc.
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #242 on: May 19, 2015, 01:52:13 PM »
Or put a basement under a slab.

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« Reply #243 on: May 19, 2015, 10:14:54 PM »
Or put a basement under a slab.

Kentucky has lots of caves...
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« Reply #244 on: May 19, 2015, 10:19:41 PM »
Very versatile, and the metal will last forever. Can be re-purposed easily, but a portion of it can be used as housing until the future 'house' is built...

I'm assuming those are pole structures. You can pour concrete in one/some and have a nice slab, but it's not required... gravel or dirt would be a suitable floor too, if it was mainly used for tool/equipment storage, barn, etc.
Def going with at least a concrete floor if not a full basement.

Conversation is ongoing, but I am looking at all sorts of possibilities

I don't want it to stand out so a utility building or barn with a living area makes a lot of sense. But then again I am so far back in the middle of somewhere the other side of no where in a county that has fewer people than the average welfare family in Baltimore! Literally we have just over 2,000 in the whole county!

So I could get away with something more house like, but then there is the cost which I have to keep in check. I figure though all you boneheads will come ah seekin me out when the economy goes bye bye, so I need some extra room for all the new soldiers who will be arrivin'

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« Reply #245 on: May 19, 2015, 10:24:11 PM »
One structure that I seem to keep coming back to is a Monitor style barn. Versatile, roomy, interesting spaces, some lofted spaces which I like to be able to look out from a high vantage point and a pole barn which is pretty economical to construct
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« Reply #246 on: May 19, 2015, 10:26:36 PM »
Site was a muddy mess so we went back after the Privy construction

Last time we left it like this:
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #247 on: May 19, 2015, 10:28:02 PM »
Continuing to use the plans Nate found we bought a bunch more lumber, which puts me a bit over $300 at the moment and started cutting and framing out the walls
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #248 on: May 19, 2015, 10:29:13 PM »
I picked up two vinyl 18" X 24" single hung windows with screens
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Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
« Reply #249 on: May 19, 2015, 10:30:02 PM »
Here's the wall framed out
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