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That's my point Don. We have to prepare ourselves for the eventuality that we will have to take action. This is close to home for me as a Texan. Already there are parts of the US where it is not advisable to be within 10 miles of the border. How does our government respond? By putting up signs that advise us to stay out of the area.
With this in mind, what is the most bang for the buck AR-10 out there? Rock River?http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=607
There are two mag patterns, Armalite and DPMS. Go with the Armalite version and unless you are wanting 1MOA accuracy or better, then what ever you find cheapest. They are all within mil spec and will get the job done. Just remember to disassemble and stake the butt tube and bolt carrier. Stay away from piston driven crap. It's marketing hype (IMO, and yes I will probably get crap for that)
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are. Take the appropriate action, Execute!
your standard grunt level CQB is just putting rounds and rounds on scary stuff till it stops scaring you!
I'm late getting to this party...I've always lusted after this oneThe DPMS AP4This gun is selling for $1339 on line where I looked
I still like this best:
This is one of my AR-10s. Noveske with a Nightforce F1. You can absolutely OWN everything within 700 meters with this gun.
I can not comment on this, other than that was never verified!
Quote from: TexasRedNeck on April 15, 2015, 08:09:15 PMThis is one of my AR-10s. Noveske with a Nightforce F1. You can absolutely OWN everything within 700 meters with this gun. Yep, I'm still liking it. Scope stats?
Quote from: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:14:01 PMI'm late getting to this party...I've always lusted after this oneThe DPMS AP4This gun is selling for $1339 on line where I lookedYou can find the AP4 barrels and etc online, and assemble it yourself. It'll be cheaper than buying a completed one off the rack. I know you'd end up changing the buttstock (like you mentioned), but I also know you'd end up changing the foregrip, so no point buying something you won't use. Quote from: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:16:51 PMI still like this best:Yes. The EBR stock adds weight, but it is nice.Quote from: TexasRedNeck on April 15, 2015, 08:09:15 PMThis is one of my AR-10s. Noveske with a Nightforce F1. You can absolutely OWN everything within 700 meters with this gun. Yep, I'm still liking it. Scope stats?Quote from: nmeyer414 on April 15, 2015, 08:33:35 PMI can not comment on this, other than that was never verified!Never heard of it either.
3.5X15X50mm mil/mil with a full 30Mil of internal elevation and 21 Mil windage. First focal plane. I'm not good enough to instantly switch mental calculation between MOA and Mil and remember to dial back to 10X to range. That's why every thing I own is FFP/Mil/Mil I only have to remember one set of calcs and values.
I'd build a few things different about that gunErgo hand grip,Magpul butt stickLikely just a magpul frontend, plastic is fineAnd a gas blocker and flip up front sight.I do like the 16" barrel length, but not crazy with the flash-hider. Would add one to fit a can and maybe a piece of rail on the underside for a folding bipod.I like the forged upper, and the M4 profile 1/10 barrel and I'm OK with a gas piston.I can just never imagine that gun AR style out shooting my M1ABut the M1A does not like cans and has a clunky stock and is W A Y L O N G!!
Good Start;http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/aa_ar1080ANOhttp://aresarmor.com/store/Item/Upper_Ajax_18_308
Picked up one of these for $400http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/aa_BAupper
Quote from: BobbyB on April 16, 2015, 02:47:46 AMQuote from: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:14:01 PMI'm late getting to this party...I've always lusted after this oneThe DPMS AP4This gun is selling for $1339 on line where I lookedYou can find the AP4 barrels and etc online, and assemble it yourself. It'll be cheaper than buying a completed one off the rack. I know you'd end up changing the buttstock (like you mentioned), but I also know you'd end up changing the foregrip, so no point buying something you won't use. Quote from: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:16:51 PMI still like this best:Yes. The EBR stock adds weight, but it is nice.Quote from: TexasRedNeck on April 15, 2015, 08:09:15 PMThis is one of my AR-10s. Noveske with a Nightforce F1. You can absolutely OWN everything within 700 meters with this gun. Yep, I'm still liking it. Scope stats?Quote from: nmeyer414 on April 15, 2015, 08:33:35 PMI can not comment on this, other than that was never verified!Never heard of it either.I'd build a few things different about that gunErgo hand grip,Magpul butt stickLikely just a magpul frontend, plastic is fineAnd a gas blocker and flip up front sight.I do like the 16" barrel length, but not crazy with the flash-hider. Would add one to fit a can and maybe a piece of rail on the underside for a folding bipod.I like the forged upper, and the M4 profile 1/10 barrel and I'm OK with a gas piston.I can just never imagine that gun AR style out shooting my M1ABut the M1A does not like cans and has a clunky stock and is W A Y L O N G!!
Quote from: TexasRedNeck on April 16, 2015, 07:41:23 AM3.5X15X50mm mil/mil with a full 30Mil of internal elevation and 21 Mil windage. First focal plane. I'm not good enough to instantly switch mental calculation between MOA and Mil and remember to dial back to 10X to range. That's why every thing I own is FFP/Mil/Mil I only have to remember one set of calcs and values.hows the view at 15x?Quote from: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 08:43:30 AMI'd build a few things different about that gunErgo hand grip,Magpul butt stickLikely just a magpul frontend, plastic is fineAnd a gas blocker and flip up front sight.I do like the 16" barrel length, but not crazy with the flash-hider. Would add one to fit a can and maybe a piece of rail on the underside for a folding bipod.I like the forged upper, and the M4 profile 1/10 barrel and I'm OK with a gas piston.I can just never imagine that gun AR style out shooting my M1ABut the M1A does not like cans and has a clunky stock and is W A Y L O N G!!Gas block and flip up wouldn't be hard to swap. The flash-hider is supposedly pretty effective. I can recommend Midwest industries for a narrow front end with only a top rail along the top, and you add small 1.5-6" sections of rail where you want them. They are under 9 oz total.Between the M1A and the AP4 , I think they are going to be about equalish in MOA. Depending on ammo and the person behind it.
Love my FAL, but it seems as tho my wife loves it more.....she usually sticks me with the AR15 while she burns through 5 or 10 mags, as I watch $$$$ flying through the air.It's still worth it, see'in a 110 pound gal shouldering a fairly large rifle, and hitting what she aims at.
LOL, Don, sounds like an opportunity for a shoot off! Bobby, at my age, I need all the magnification I can get....I really liked my US Optics 3.8-22. 15X is just barely enough for me between 700-1000. More magnification the better for me. I've learned to shoot with both eyes open, so it helps with peripheral vision