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JR · « **Reply #900 on:** June 25, 2024, 07:39:05 PM »

Looks good.

stlaser · « **Reply #901 on:** June 25, 2024, 11:21:59 PM »

Forgot to mention, Developer drove by this afternoon while I was hanging last couple panels. He stops, puts it in reverse and comes back. Asks me if that’s steel and I replied yes it is. He tells me he likes it and I just smile and nod.

I managed to keep my smart mouth shut and not explain “it wasn’t up for debate but thanks!”

Flyin6 · « **Reply #902 on:** June 26, 2024, 10:33:37 AM »

Quote from: stlaser on June 25, 2024, 11:21:59 PM

Forgot to mention, Developer drove by this afternoon while I was hanging last couple panels. He stops, puts it in reverse and comes back. Asks me if that’s steel and I replied yes it is. He tells me he likes it and I just smile and nod.

I managed to keep my smart mouth shut and not explain “it wasn’t up for debate but thanks!”

I like that
Tell ya why
It shows growth and maturity on your part.
You can easily win contests of strength, but the smarter man avoids the contest altogether.
You're growing wiser.
CM
;-)

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #903 on:** July 01, 2024, 04:08:44 PM »

The best fight to win is the one you avoid.

Really like that look Shawn, is it R panel profile that looks like board and bat?

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stlaser · « **Reply #904 on:** July 02, 2024, 08:39:50 PM »

Charles, I don’t think it’s an R panel. It’s a newer product all the steel companies have with their own spin on colors. I searched awhile to find this exact color.

As far as the fight it’s not over by a long shot. The developer and a single homeowner decided to impose by laws on the other ten lot owners. Some real commie chit, lawyering up and gunna come out swinging. Luckily this is Montana and as of 2019 there is a law SB0300 that states they can’t impose more laws on homeowners than what was here when we purchased.

JR · « **Reply #905 on:** July 03, 2024, 01:15:24 AM »

Love seeing the HOAs and their crap getting put down. Way too much power.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #906 on:** July 03, 2024, 09:38:27 AM »

HOA's: Socialist, cowardly, control freak oriented, I dislike them, and in some cases absolutely necessary.

I mentioned I was a HOA president for 7+ years. Did not like the job. I had ankle biters (cowardly neighbors) constantly complaining to me about other minuscule things. I would consider their "problems" in the light of a raid I did against fortified Taliban positions and consider them too small to address. It is important to elect a president who is not a safety nazi or has never been in charge of anything or done anything of significance with his/her life or you're gunna be in for a ride.

Given a choice, I'd find a quiet dark evening away from everyone and apply a Texas Red Neck ass whoppin' to them and call it good.

JR · « **Reply #907 on:** July 03, 2024, 12:29:36 PM »

I can understand them for conformity, somewhat. But having to ask about doing things that don't affect anyone is crazy.

stlaser · « **Reply #908 on:** July 03, 2024, 05:00:24 PM »

I spoke with middle daughter today, forgot to mention she’s already taken her LSAT and has been applying to schools some of which have already contacted her. In her spare time (read little to none) she on her own time and ambition landed an intern a couple months ago with a Judge out of Bozeman not affiliated with Montana state. Her take on him is that he’s very unbiased and level headed.

Anyhow, I sent her all my information and she was going to use it to break it down like she does for the judge on actual cases. Review it and give me her opinion. Then when she gets back from Alabama next week was going to run all of this by her boss. I’m still hiring an attorney but second opinions never hurt. Will be nice to have a lawyer in the family soon.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #909 on:** July 04, 2024, 10:02:24 AM »

Quote from: stlaser on July 03, 2024, 05:00:24 PM

I spoke with middle daughter today, forgot to mention she’s already taken her LSAT and has been applying to schools some of which have already contacted her. In her spare time (read little to none) she on her own time and ambition landed an intern a couple months ago with a Judge out of Bozeman not affiliated with Montana state. Her take on him is that he’s very unbiased and level headed.

Anyhow, I sent her all my information and she was going to use it to break it down like she does for the judge on actual cases. Review it and give me her opinion. Then when she gets back from Alabama next week was going to run all of this by her boss. I’m still hiring an attorney but second opinions never hurt. Will be nice to have a lawyer in the family soon.

A member here has a daughter who ran about the same course.

Shortly after LSAT time, she interned with a local Judge. That developed into her getting a job (after her undergrad degree) with a local law firm. She specialized there from paralegal to office management. She was promoted to THE office firm manager. Shortly after that, a firm in Chicago offered to pay for her master's Degree if she would be that firm's manager. She accepted. A couple of years passed by and she was offered the same position at a larger law firm. She moved and is knocking it out of the park over there at the moment.
Can you say, "High wage earner?"

stlaser · « **Reply #910 on:** July 04, 2024, 03:40:03 PM »

stlaser · « **Reply #911 on:** July 04, 2024, 05:37:16 PM »

Sanded decks on cabin last Saturday, then got first coat on area that was not under porch roof. Followed by 3 days of rain. Back at second coat here in pictures. One more tomorrow then do the area under the porch. Penofin Cedar 1 coat stain is stuff I’m using.

Planning on sanding and sealing cedar Adirondack chairs and tables next with same stuff.

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stlaser · « **Reply #912 on:** July 04, 2024, 10:27:57 PM »

2 coats it is, as that second coat has dried it’s getting darker. Good enough, moving on to under the porch tomorrow

Bob Smith · « **Reply #913 on:** July 05, 2024, 02:06:25 AM »

Looks very nice. Job well worth the time spent

EL TATE · « **Reply #914 on:** July 12, 2024, 10:41:16 AM »

Looking good there buddy. and good luck sticking it to those HOA nazis.

stlaser · « **Reply #915 on:** July 24, 2024, 10:04:49 PM »

Thanks guys

Started the week renting tow behind lift. That was about a day and a half of screwing around as it “has issues”. Above the garage door is how far I got before the lift quit twice on me about 20’ in the air.

So I completed the lower portion on East side minus the j channel I need to fish in above the two left windows yet. Those panels are just shy of 14’ long and 3’ wide. Left shoulder is pissed more than normal and I’m tired after another day high 90’s, better than the 100+ it’s been. At least last night it cooled to 70 again. Been staying in 80’s at night which isn’t fun.

Cool weather coming in tomorrow with a high of 70! Family starting to arrive for a long weekend tomorrow evening so it’s good timing. Cabin is going to be full and so is the fiver. Maybe my shoulder will get a needed break.

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JR · « **Reply #916 on:** July 24, 2024, 10:08:10 PM »

Looks good. I have been hiding from the heat. I saw 111 today, in the shade not as bad but its hot!

stlaser · « **Reply #917 on:** July 24, 2024, 11:12:03 PM »

We had 105 the other day, that’s high for up here.

stlaser · « **Reply #918 on:** August 13, 2024, 07:28:52 PM »

Sorry for not updating this sooner. Siding is done with exception of rear where I’ve yet to complete roof structure for the 5’er and rear covered entrance.

Just started on rear roof structure and setting joists this afternoon. Slow going, I ganked my knee a couple weeks ago getting out of a tow behind man lift bucket that was about 3’ in the air on unlevel ground and well I’m no spring chicken.

Then trying to get the siding finished I worked on it for another three hours and really pissed it off. I don’t heal that fast and I’ve since injured it again apparently because I don’t learn easy either.

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Sammconn · « **Reply #919 on:** August 13, 2024, 07:38:08 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on August 13, 2024, 07:28:52 PM

I don’t heal that fast and I’ve since injured it again apparently because I don’t learn easy either.

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This….I feel your pain Shawn…something about getting less spring chicken-like.

I killed my shoulders again…left one not so bad, but right is keeping me up some nights.
Old dirt bike and downhill ski injuries. Coupled with strong like bull smart like tractor mentality.

Had nearly 20 tears between them 15 odd years ago. Physio got me over the hump then, but not sure this time.

Shop is looking great in any case!

stlaser · « **Reply #920 on:** August 13, 2024, 09:54:33 PM »

Thanks & I concur Sam, yeah my left shoulder is pissed too just not as bad as my right knee atm. Add to it I’m shooting bow every morning and am left handed. 3D shoot at local church this Saturday, $25 buy in and $1k pot. Probably won’t win but gunna run the course regardless as more practice is a good thing, season open early Sept here.

JR · « **Reply #921 on:** August 13, 2024, 10:59:08 PM »

Glad I don't have to worry much about snow load where I am. 1-2 ft is about max and it melts fast.

Nice work, winter is almost here, that will be nice.

Yep, us old guys don't heal like we used too. Will tell you though since I lost 30lbs, I can really feel the difference kicking in!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #922 on:** August 14, 2024, 12:57:56 PM »

That is one really nice-looking building!

stlaser · « **Reply #923 on:** August 14, 2024, 08:10:09 PM »

Thanks guys

I was able to get another six hours on it today, nine more rafters cut and hung if I’m counting correctly.

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KensAuto · « **Reply #924 on:** August 15, 2024, 04:54:51 PM »

Took me about an hour to get caught up on this thread and all I can say is wow, that shop looks amazing.

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Flyin6 · « **Reply #925 on:** August 15, 2024, 05:29:02 PM »

X2
I think S is killing the construction thread. People are afraid to compete. This is the top build on the site, and for sure for the past 5 years.
Come on...
Someone put up something to challenge this!

stlaser · « **Reply #926 on:** August 16, 2024, 03:49:57 PM »

Thanks guys

stlaser · « **Reply #927 on:** August 20, 2024, 11:04:42 PM »

Set the ridge beam for the gable end on the rear of the shop. Was able to figure out the rafter profile on the east side. Need to work on the valley rafter tomorrow, that should be fun.

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JR · « **Reply #928 on:** August 21, 2024, 12:19:17 AM »

Nice, did you corner the market on glulam's?

stlaser · « **Reply #929 on:** August 21, 2024, 05:12:46 AM »

Quote from: JR on August 21, 2024, 12:19:17 AM

Nice, did you corner the market on glulam's?

Pretty much, had I been thinking I’d have had the timber I fell and removed for shop cut into beams. Going to use that timber for carport builds in the future.

stlaser · « **Reply #930 on:** August 22, 2024, 07:29:16 PM »

So long afternoon, my first try at a valley with two different sloped roofs. The lean to over the rv is 4/12 & the gable is just shy of 8/12

I am by no means a framing genius however I’ve done valleys before with same pitch roof. Essentially, the joists should meet opposed on the valley joist (probably incorrect term too). However, with one roof at double the pitch I will end up meeting the lower slopes roof joists only every other higher pitched rafter. I’ve read you can have them not meet but then you need to meet other specifications. Thicker valley beam etc. anyone with lots of framing background on here? I think every other will be ok and see no way for the high sloped rafters to push down with a load.

The third picture down from top was my first try at that wicked double compound angle. Ended up being a little short on bottom end. My plan was to stud and sheet wall up above the glue lam anyhow to keep birds and bats from having a place to roost. So that rafter will be supported across the whole length.

Oh & I set the gable ridge beam somehow an inch too high, it’s perfectly level though so now trimming the top down an inch. Lots of screw ups but it’s Montana and I’m using a little Kentucky windage……..

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JR · « **Reply #931 on:** August 22, 2024, 08:27:44 PM »

Guess you'll add more hangers as thing line up? Screws or nails, big fan of screws. Used to use SDS lags, but like the timberlock stuff better.

There is a simpson screw for the hangers too, way better than those fat little nails.

stlaser · « **Reply #932 on:** August 22, 2024, 09:10:55 PM »

Quote from: JR on August 22, 2024, 08:27:44 PM

Guess you'll add more hangers as thing line up? Screws or nails, big fan of screws. Used to use SDS lags, but like the timberlock stuff better.

There is a simpson screw for the hangers too, way better than those fat little nails.

Yes, more Simpson brackets. Local yard gave me some other brand and you need to hang them before the rafters and I’m not a fan. The Simpson you can put up after you hang the rafter or joist. I personally like the senco palm nailer and standard framing nails. I do like the timberlok line which is what I used on glue lam and posts.

stlaser · « **Reply #933 on:** August 23, 2024, 09:42:01 AM »

So hopefully this helps someone out in the future. Wasn’t able to find an exact answer to my question online. I reached out to Charles whom I know mentioned one time he had a book on framing. Without looking at it, him and I discussed the issue. We agreed that doubling up the valley beam would be a good idea. Then I recalled that a good friend from high school was a third generation custom home builder. So I asked him and here is what he stated.

If you have unsupported rafters meeting in a valley. You can double up the valley beam. You can also add blocking to support the rafters that do not meet another rafter IF it’s easy to do. I then asked can you just add blocking and not double the beam? He replied that you can. So every other steep rafter that is unsupported will get additional blocking behind it to the next rafter.

stlaser · « **Reply #934 on:** August 23, 2024, 01:12:46 PM »

In case anyone is wondering what that looks like

I may go ahead and block behind every steep rafter on the valley side just for a “little extra”

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stlaser · « **Reply #935 on:** August 23, 2024, 01:21:12 PM »

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stlaser · « **Reply #936 on:** August 26, 2024, 07:46:38 PM »

State of roof structure as of 5:30 this evening. Few more rafters that all need custom cut on this one side to finish those. Rain coming in tomorrow, which is good after a full day of up and down ladders like a monkey.

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JR · « **Reply #937 on:** August 26, 2024, 08:38:33 PM »

Nice work. Rain, always when your building to bad its not sheeted yet.

stlaser · « **Reply #938 on:** August 29, 2024, 07:46:08 PM »

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Flyin6 · « **Reply #939 on:** August 30, 2024, 10:16:10 AM »

I am just visualizing all the trick angle cuts required to fit these rafters. The blocking seems appropriate.

Have you screwed up some cuts/lengths? Me: I would have made many mistakes with respect to exact lengths. What you are doing is fairly complicated.

stlaser · « **Reply #940 on:** August 30, 2024, 06:22:54 PM »

In all of that maybe 5-6 incorrect cuts? Which makes probably 3-4 boards that I cut then reused somewhere else in a shorter span. Once you get the angles figured out you just keep repeating them then it’s a matter of length and I pre measured everything. Make sure you lay out your vertical lines on any adjoining rafter with a bullet level. Makes measuring pretty simple. You start with longest boards first obviously. Not much wasted material this way.

JR · « **Reply #941 on:** August 30, 2024, 06:26:13 PM »

Sounds like doing my floor. (still in the works, $$$)

Sammconn · « **Reply #942 on:** September 01, 2024, 10:11:04 AM »

Looks great Shawn.
I’d likely blew a few more…I’ve missed on straight ones before, Nevermind on compound angled boxed in ones…

stlaser · « **Reply #943 on:** September 01, 2024, 06:34:10 PM »

Thanks, not my first rodeo. I did learn a couple things so it has been fun in that regard.

There was a large pile of dirt on the back side of other lot we purchased this spring. It ended up there when they bull dozed the road in. I spent yesterday loading it up with skid steer and dump trailer. It was an eye sore on that lot. Moved it to behind our cabin. Going to fill in a low area and plant to grass this month. I’ve brought in stone for a road that will service a future guest cabin and rear carport behind our cabin. This left an area between my machine shop, cabin and that new driveway where it’s low. So free fill dirt and fixing that low area. Just another project.

stlaser · « **Reply #944 on:** September 01, 2024, 06:38:10 PM »

Low area to right of driveway on bottom pic

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JR · « **Reply #945 on:** September 01, 2024, 07:26:42 PM »

Low spots can drive you nuts. Great time to address it.

My little dip was totally washed out, needs it own drain besides the 12in up top.Ive been looking for a 6 inch drain pipe.

stlaser · « **Reply #946 on:** September 01, 2024, 08:43:29 PM »

Quote from: JR on September 01, 2024, 07:26:42 PM

Low spots can drive you nuts. Great time to address it.

My little dip was totally washed out, needs it own drain besides the 12in up top.Ive been looking for a 6 inch drain pipe.

Bottom pic, just to the left of tree on right there is a 12” culvert that goes under the driveway

Flyin6 · « **Reply #947 on:** September 01, 2024, 08:55:23 PM »

I really enjoy seeing this homestead growing day by day.

stlaser · « **Reply #948 on:** September 05, 2024, 06:54:21 PM »

Cutting tails and installing facia board

Think I’ve shown similar “tools” for hanging long pieces by myself before but here’s another stab at it.

Old guy chit, the trailer made for a nice stable platform for the ladders. That up and down off the trailer and my right knee wasn’t happy about it so I improvised.

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JR · « **Reply #949 on:** September 05, 2024, 08:03:09 PM »

Funny how far we go now to make it just a little easier. Sometimes major, sometimes not.