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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:15:49 PM »
Those were rose welds to keep it all fairly neat, yet super strong. The fuel can fits right on and inclines the gas can intoward the vehicle at the top to follow the contour of the front of the vehicle. I am not done yet, but just this slight tilt should help it clear some wait-a-minute vines.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:15:04 PM »
I mounted it to the roll cage bar with 2ea. 3/8" bolts resting on rubber blocks to isolate vibration and used a U-bolt to capture the round steel tube on top of the truck bed.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:13:10 PM »
Next up was the mounting of the 3 gal gas can.
I am not allowing convention to drive the train here. I will think out of the box whenever I think I need to and with regard to the gas can mount I did just that.
You would think I should mount it in the bed. But if I did that, then less room for the Rangers and stuff like sleeping bags, 81mm mortars and things like that. So I decided to go outside but try to place it in such a way as to flow into the vehicle lines affording it some protection while not taking up valuable space. I wanted to keep the CG of the thing between the wheels and close to a suspension point so I wouldn't have unusual gyrations with the 20 extra pounds hanging on out there.
Here's where I decided to place it. Passenger side outside of the bed, above the brush bar and slightly forward of the rear wheel. I wanted it to be strong so I started with a sheet of stainless steel and bent it into the piece you see here:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:12:03 PM »
Actual mounting is a snap. Line it up, drill 4 holes, secure the hardware and add a stiffening plate to the top side and you're done!

33405
General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:10:15 PM »
The mount boss and locking handle mounts to the base the same as the non locking handles do:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 04:07:57 PM »
Turkey day!
Great weather, like mid 70's, sunny and wrenches were all a' gleamin'!
So to burn off some of the calories I consumed, I did some Gator projects, pushing that ball down the field a bit more.

I have that bok of Roto-pack gas, water, and storage cans, so I mounted a couple more.

The first to go in was a general equipment container, olive drab, which I needed to store various things.

The location would be onto the underside of the roof just like the existing first aid kit. THis time, however, I am using locking handles so the stuff in there just doesn't go marching off.

Here's what that looks like:

33407
Firearms / Ruger break-down .22
« on: September 16, 2014, 04:02:29 PM »
FYI folks, I was talking to brother Holton about getting the little rangers guns for Christmas. I suggested M4's th which, well saying it mildly, Holton our Marine disagreed. Now I have learned to trust Marines on all things gun. So this MArine says get them Ruger 10-22's.
He sends me some links
I get to lookin
Next few days I'm down at the gun shop. The guy there says I get $269 for a wood stock one and they are drying up! He says I only have one. So me thinks, hmmm, better act quickly so I bought it. But that left one Ranger out in the cold. So I purchased him a hunters series Marlin .22...nice gun.
Then Holton sends me this pic of a new breakdown 10-22 which actually breaks down to 2 short pieces!
Hmmm, this was supposed to be about the boys, but Holton infected me. This morning my buddy teh black hawk pilot calls and says Dick's sporting goods is running a sale on ruger 10-22's! They are only $180 ea!
So I rush over there and snag one up.
Great both Rangers now have their proper squirrel assault rifles! Then I get the idea of giving the Marlin to momma! She would like to kill tree rats as well. WHile there at Dicks, I mention I might order one of those break down 10-22's in the future. The sales guy asks if I want to see one?
You have one? Yes sir, I actually have 2!
So he shows me the one and weakness overcomes me. I start shaking and talking irrationally. SOmewhere in the dribble that followed I mush have said I'll take it, but I know I did not do that from any conscious state, or any other state in the country for that matter!
Anyway here it is on my floor.
Thanks Holton, now I have 2 Ruger 10-22's

So, now you have to help me with the optics!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:59:11 PM »
With all the wiring run, the front end reattaches with 2ea. large bolts, a lower skid plate and the two side rub rails. That went pretty fast and before I knew it, it was done! I also added a tree saver strap to the accessory gear stored under the hood. I'm now self recovery ready!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:57:59 PM »
The winch can be operated through a rocker switch or by plugging a hand held controller into the circut. Initially, I opted for option one, while retaining the option of also dash mounting the rocker switch at a later time.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:56:27 PM »
You may also recall that I welded a stud to the frame when I did the electrical control box. I welded another ground stud to the frame under the hood in the front to provide a good ground for this voltage and amp sucking winch

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:55:45 PM »
I wanted to double fuse that critter so I dropped a 450 amp mega fuse inline and installed it under the factory console. That way, I also have a power source for future electrical growth. IR spot light???

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:55:04 PM »
You may recall the auxilliary electrical control box I created some time ago. Well, within that box was a 500 amp mega fuse, just waiting for the winch. Normal long winching will surely tax the circut, but only a jammed motor or short will cause that large of a fuse to burn and cut the circuit. I double insulated the power cable which is wired in such a way, that a simple twist of the master battery switch will isolate the winch to the aux, optima batery only.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:53:17 PM »
When it comes to electric wiring and cables and in an off road application, I always pay close attention to routing and chafing points. My favorite technique is to use a rubber donut to secure a cable to adjacent solid mounting points. Here is how I did that with the winch cables:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:51:59 PM »
Attention to detail always makes the difference between a problematic install and a great one. I used the bobbin on the winch line which will prevent too great of a break-over angle. I also substituted a spring clip for the gaudy cotter pin.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:50:47 PM »
The winch plate goes on first, then the winch bolts to the plate with some bolts going through the bumper and plate. I substituted longer bolts instead of using the too short Pro-Mark supplied fastners.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:49:29 PM »
So the first big step is to unbolt the front end and pull all that protective stuff and lights out of the way.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:48:02 PM »
I just got finished installing the ProMark 4500 winch.
It's a good install, but not nearly as fast as I was hoping.
Anyway I started thinking I could drop it in from the front, but that was not to be. The winch installs from the backside very much complicating things.
I have had the winch for weeks. That was one of the boxes partially obscuring the red maple tree outside the garage windows. I like that tree, so that motivated me to actually tackle this particuliar project. Here's the winch plate and where it fits:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:43:04 PM »
Originally Posted by GreatLakeOffRoad View Post
Close enough for me!

Well. not that you mentioned it
I was working out the roof rack which is going to have some unique differences. I was working out how I would extend tubes from inside the frame of the rack. I was working up something for the back as well. Here's the cool part. Stop the vehicle, pull out the tubes in all directions, then IN THE RACK is a tarp with a cammo net attached! Just roll it out and you have shade, shelter from rain, and some cammo. Then you came up with that bikini top idea for the back end, and it just threw me for a loop!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:42:30 PM »
Nate Wrote:

i dont think don is speechless, i think another 100 ideas just rolled through his head and is now trying to work it all out. lol

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:41:49 PM »
Shawn wrote:

I think that was your shortest post to date. New record, not even really a word either......

Mark it on the calendar, Don is speechless!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:41:13 PM »
Hmmmm....

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:40:53 PM »
From Shawn:

Don, have you thought about using a sheet of aluminum and extending it backover the knuckleheads seats in the rear? This way if you were driving in the rain at least some of the water would get thrown back past them? The idea reminds me of the bikini top on my jeep in the summer, kiddos in the back will still get a little water rushing around the sides (they always lean to center to avoid it) but at least it will not be coming down from above. Looks like a pretty simple upgrade with some sheet material and a piece of rubber sandwiched between the plastic top and the aluminum front side........

Would make a good sunblock on hot days as well.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:39:59 PM »
From the last pictures you can see I paid a great deal of attention to detail. I welded a bolt to the vehicle frame where I connected the aux battery ground and the ground strap from the electrical control box. I found a switched hot lead for the solenoid and plugged that wire in. I ran a hot to the battery, and onother to the main vehicle battery.
Additionally I canned the Inverter cigar powered connection in favor os hooking it directly to the mega fuse block with some heavy wires. It will have no problem drawing all the current it (I) need.
I did find an interference issue with that access I cut for the control box through the head guard. the Cables were touching when I raised the bed, so I cut another corner off that square access and welded in a 45 degree angle brace. I will finish grind it and pretty it up in the morrow.
That leaves me with building the front cover/lid tomorrow and this project is officially in the bag!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:38:29 PM »
Optima supplies cool little plastic snap on pieces which made the battery a snug fit in the marine battery box I used. With this done it was time to start connecting cables and running the couple remaining ones.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:37:20 PM »
Today, I got it almost finished. At this point the whole thing is installed and working as advertised. I started with fitting the battery frame and box and final welding it in place:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:36:16 PM »
Here's where it all sits now. Box is installed, rear head guard is modified.
I need to mount the battery, hook it up, make the primary battery connection and fab up a door for the box and I can call this project complete. Maybe that will happen today, who knows...have laundry yet to do, and trunk or treat candy wrappers the Ranger left laying around to pick up. If you're wondering, yes, that will cost him. Punshiment in this house for little rangers usually involves cleaning a toilet...not a favorite task at all!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:34:37 PM »
I then mounted it to the front of the bed on the steel bulkhead. I drilled 3/8" holes then used 1/4" bolts on rubber sway bar bushings. Remember that helicopter pilot vibration sensitive thing? Well, that's going on here. Don't like things to vibrate in harmony. Harmony = Buzz!
With that all snugged up, we might recall the bed tilts.
We might also remember one of newtons laws of physics. I'm refereing to the one that states two pieces of matter can not ocupy the same space at the same time. OK that meant that if I tilted the bed, either the electrical box would be scraped off, or that pretty head cage thing would get all mangled, or perhaps both. So one had to go. Since I just built the box, I decided it should stay. With the handy cut off wheel. I adjusted the rear piece. then welded stiffners back to it.
These pics actually show when I was pre fitting it without the pretty box condition (PBS) existing.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:32:59 PM »
Mo pics
Aient it prudy?

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:31:24 PM »
The wiring build up continues. There will be a cable coming in from the main vehicle battery which will charge the second battery through the solenoid. There will be another cable coming in from the aux battery which will do all the stuff it will do. Then there will be that big honkin ground to get us to earth as the europeans would fancy saying.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:29:54 PM »
Next the extensive wiring began. I used battery cable especially developed for race car applications, a 2 gage copper, which WILL NOT lose any amperage along it's length. There are grommets installed everywhere, adel clamps, chaf tape and every other concievable item which will hopefully make this box trouble free forever

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:28:25 PM »
Next the dual battery solenoid was mounted and I added a 2 gage ground strap with soldered brass ends

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:26:58 PM »
The Mega fuses come in all sizes. I placed a 450amp for the upcoming front winch, a 40 for the lights I know are coming and another 40 for the inverter and something else.
Next I found a place and drilled the holes for the master primary battery disconnect. By closing this switch, I can isolate the big optima to drive the winch and accessories while never tapping power off the vehicle original battery. So if she runsd the optima down surfing the web, charging the phone and drying her hair, I'll still have cranking power to get through my favorite mud hole!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:25:54 PM »
All right knuckleheads, lets get on with more of this ever widening aux electrical power project.
Last I was building the electrical box. Well finally, except for it's front cover, it's done and mounted with a lot of stuff inside all neatly organized.
So I continued to build the thing up, adding a solenoid, some mega fuses, and cables out the yazoo. Here's some build up pics:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:24:29 PM »
You crack me up!
On the donation piece I also like the Fisher house at Fort Sam Houston in San Anton. That is the Army's burn center where IED victums go to recovery. THat process is a very long one, so the Fischer house is actually a bunch of apartments where the families of the injured soldiers and Marines can stay for free. A very noble cause and great facility. I think my biggest and best dream would be if my book or the next one could be movieized where I could get enough money from it to actually build another apartment there for the families of future soldiers. How cool would that be!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:24:05 PM »
From Ashley:

How about that electrical box build? Pretty impressive there. Have to admit. Why move our jobs to china, when we can move the production to Don's ? Build him a new shop, hire a few labor hands, and before long, Don will have the assembly line re-invented... He would be turning out products left and right, quality parts that is, built right here in the U.S.A. Don could just work for free, save the company money, and donate the proceeds to Wounded Warriors... But, then the libs would step in and tell him he cant donate his money to a good cause, need to give it to the neighbors that sit on the porch, and watch. They are complaining, because they can't feed themselves. Don has to give half his earnings to the neighbors so they can survive as well..... Where was this going anyway??

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:22:01 PM »
And here is how it will all fit once the box is finally installed:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:20:47 PM »
And here is about where the master battery disconnect switch will fit:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:18:50 PM »
I plan to mount an isolation switch to the outside of the box so that I can manually isolate the battery if I so desire. Looking at it, that switch would have been difficult to access with a flat top, so I added an angled top surface which places that switch in a great position. Here's the angle part coming into existience:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:17:44 PM »
Back to the electrical box construction. There were a bunch of rivets to pull. I did not buck these, but used steel pop rivets which are more than adequate for this construction. It has taken over a hundred so far and the front cover is not yet built!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:16:46 PM »
OK, got to spend a couple hours on project Tac-Gator today.
The theme is still electrical system, that is aux electrical system. My exide was all but dead so I took it in for a trade. Unbelievably, I got a 100% refund on an 18 month old battery so I went a little crazy and bought this red top Optima. It has so many cranking amps and such a long reserve that it just blew away every deep cycle heavy marine battery I looked at, so I owned it!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:15:38 PM »
Speaking of knuckleheads,
Today I worked on Gator rear defense.
Picked up some Army ACU's and a Ghillie suit.
I'd say Those two have it going on!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:13:56 PM »
That's it for the box assembly tonight, will pick back up on it tomorrow.
While I was cleaning up, I tested out the inverter on a drop light.
That's battery alone powering the 115VAC light.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:13:07 PM »
And a couple more:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:11:50 PM »
Don't worry, it's gonna get pretty cool lookin before the fat lady sings.
Here's more shots of the box being assembled:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:10:08 PM »
Here's where the box will be mounted

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:08:56 PM »
Here they are being used as I mark and drill rivet holes every inch

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:07:02 PM »
The sides
You may notice a ton of special tools. Clecos are aircraft sheet metal holder together thingies that do a pretty spiffy job, of, well, holding things together. Drill your 18" hole, then using the cleco pliers, insert a cleco. Now no force in nature can remove said parts without those nifty pliers

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:05:07 PM »
The plan will be to strap the battery in the box and strap that to the frame allowing it to float a little on a rubber pad to prevent fatigue cracking of the plastic.
That is about as far as I needed to go for now while I figure out where everything else is going.
There isn't much real-estate, and I have to get that solemoid, a mega-fuse block, the master battery, and later on some electronics secured and out of the elements. Looking around, there just isn't such a place, so I bit the bullet and decided to create a dedicated electrical control box. There is space between the front seats mounted to the aft firewall. I have just enough room to mount a compact 10" X 5" X 6" deep box.
Since there is no such animal. I decided to just build one. Using high grade aircraft sheet aluminum, I started with forming the back and the sides

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:02:36 PM »
With 110 VAC now available, mostly for contingiency stuff, on to the battery mount.
I began with exactly that, a battery mount using a heavy duty plastic group 27 battery box. I constructed a frame of 3/4" square steel tubing around it, and I will weld that inbetween the seats in that now dedicated dead space.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:01:03 PM »
It also has a 5Vdc USB port for charging some electronics like my I-Phone
Here is where it now resides:

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